Romney stands by message in secret video

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meltzerboy said:
However, he gave the impression that those who don’t pay income taxes are all Obama supporters who only take from the government and don’t give anything back.
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He did not say that, what he was and I am paraphrasing those who not pay income taxes are more likely to be supported by goverment programs and are more likely not to be attracted to his message of lower taxes etc because it does not relate to them because they pay no income tax. Statistics back that up

According to a 2007 Campbell Public Affairs institute survey (PDF), “Democrats are more likely to have used government programs, and much more supportive of government doing more about inequality (74.9 percent) and using government as the vehicle to take action (37.9 percent).” Given a choice between the two parties, 63 percent of welfare recipients go Democratic, 67 percent of food-stamp users, 74 percent of those on Medicaid, and 81 percent of those in public housing.

The Democratic slant extends to those receiving federal unemployment benefits. In a 2011 NPR/Kaiser Family poll (PDF), 42 percent of the long-term unemployed identified themselves as Democrats; only 16 percent went Republican.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/17/what-romney-s-gaffe-gets-right-about-the-47-percent.html

If you pay no income tax and thus get help from goverment programs you are far more likely to be democrat thus not going to be receptive to Romney
 
meltzerboy said:
However, he gave the impression that those who don’t pay income taxes are all Obama supporters who only take from the government and don’t give anything back.
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Only to those who chose to interpret that way. He was talking to contributors and saying that people who did not pay income taxes would not be his voters. What is wrong with that? It is true. Sometimes the truth hurts.
 
meltzerboy said:
However, he gave the impression that those who don’t pay income taxes are all Obama supporters who only take from the government and don’t give anything back.
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Clearly, it is now Romney’s “bitter clinger” moment, reminiscent of Obama’s campaign speech (not videoed in secret and not responding to a question) where he said “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” referring to working-class voters in industrial towns.
 
meltzerboy said:
I hope Romney does stand by his message; it will be the first time he has stood by anything he said. The part that got me was when he said that Obama voters think they’re entitled to everything, including food, housing, and health care. Are Americans–the (working) poor, elderly, disabled–not entitled to the basic necessities of life? To be fair, however, I’m sure he meant they are not entitled to government handouts. Still, it was a chilling comment. And is it really true that 47% of Americans don’t pay any income tax? How about other taxes?
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Just about everybody pays sales taxes at the point of purchases and wrapped up in the sales price of the item, I heard this accounts for about 60% of the government’s tax revenue.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Although that’s not what I took out of this statement, I have to add:

My 89 year old mom pays taxes. She owns a business that employs three people. She doesn’t take a salary. She pays taxes on money she is taking out of her IRA.

She is favorably impressed with this statement.
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Good for your mom. She is providing jobs for others so that they can pay income taxes. God bless her.
 
qui_est_ce said:
And you disagree with this?
Not sure what you mean by this.
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Yes, I disagree with this. First of all, they are not confined to Obama supporters. Second, many do give back to their community and country by paying other taxes such as the ones I previously mentioned. Third, “giving back” should not be measured only in terms of paid jobs and money: there is also such a thing as volunteering one’s time and energy. Finally, some people cannot give back because they are elderly, disabled, ill, or families of wounded or slain veterans: these people need government assistance through no fault of their own.

Are there people who take advantage of government-assistance programs? Sure there are. But Romney’s statement made it appear as if anyone who needs government assistance and doesn’t pay federal income tax is irresponsible and a taker rather than a giver.
 
seekerz said:
That is NOT what I said***. Individual*** people should of course, strive for self-reliance while helping those who are less able (or unable) to become self-reliant. However, as a society (led by a government), we do have a collective DUTY to ensure that everyone’s basic needs are being attended to.

Romney’s comment seems to diminish that collective duty at the expense of the individual one. That’s the problem I see with it.
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With all due respect, did you read the whole statement? I don’t think you did. You seem to be dwelling on the one part of the statement that suits your opinion.
 
thyrodandstaff said:
Just about everybody pays sales taxes at the point of purchases and wrapped up in the sales price of the item, I heard this accounts for about 60% of the government’s tax revenue.
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Sales taxes go to states. Romney was talking about FEDERAL INCOME TAX. We have no Federal sales tax.
 
meltzerboy said:
Yes, I disagree with this. First of all, they are not confined to Obama supporters.
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I’ll bet that if I Google the stats, over 90% of those on the federal dole are Dems.
Second, many do give back to their community and country by paying other taxes such as the ones I previously mentioned. Third, “giving back” should not be measured only in terms of paid jobs and money: there is also such a thing as volunteering one’s time and energy. Finally, some people cannot give back because they are elderly, disabled, ill, or families of wounded or slain veterans: these people need government assistance through no fault of their own.
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I did not get that people don’t give back from Romney’s statement.
Are there people who take advantage of government-assistance programs? Sure there are. But Romney’s statement made it appear as if anyone who needs government assistance and doesn’t pay federal income tax is irresponsible and a taker rather than a giver.
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Your opinion, not mine. We employ a lot of people who work hard, but due to life’s circumstances, lack of education, etc. most likely don’t pay income taxes. I believe they are mostly Obama supporters by their remarks.
 
rlg94086 said:
Clearly, it is now Romney’s “bitter clinger” moment, reminiscent of Obama’s campaign speech (not videoed in secret and not responding to a question) where he said “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” referring to working-class voters in industrial towns.
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Obama was wrong in making that distasteful statement and so is Romney in what he said. Neither candidate is a saint but both can be forgiven.
 
meltzerboy said:
Obama was wrong in making that distasteful statement and so is Romney in what he said. Neither candidate is a saint but both can be forgiven.
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Romney said what he did clumsily, but the gist of it was accurate
 
mary_bobo said:
With all due respect, did you read the whole statement? I don’t think you did. You seem to be dwelling on the one part of the statement that suits your opinion.
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What part did I miss? Please enlighten me.
 
From what I saw of the video on news programs, there was nothing particularly remarkable about his comments.

His stats on the Federal income tax are true. About 47% pay no Federal income taxes.

Anywone who is working , of course, will pay Medicare and Social-Security Tax. (I don’t understand why those are referred to as “payroll” tax without acknowledging their purpose.) Recently the payroll tax was waived or reduced as a stimulus measure. But that just has the effect of making Social Security and Medicare’s financial problems even worse.

If the nation simply turns into an entitlement society, it cannot thrive.
 
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