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JustNotSure
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Source for your average teacher in NY making $200K and close to $250K in Chicago. By the way, neither are representative in terms of average cost of living.
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SamH
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Actually I said “MARRIED” and I did not say “AVERAGE” but then you knew that when you changed what I said in your question.
As published:
ctunet.com/grievances/text/2007-2012-CPS-CTU-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf?1294199486
schools.nyc.gov/nr/rdonlyres/eddb658c-be7f-4314-85c0-03f5a00b8a0b/0/salary.pdf
Those are high cost of living areas - but they are indeed part of the United States that he will be president of.
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LisaA
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Average salary for Chicago teachers per news related to recent strike $71,000. That’s the average not the high or low. “Public servants” such as cops and firemen in many big cities make nearly six figures, sometimes more. There have been many recent news items about city employees in California making well over six figures even in the small towns where average salary is $30000.
As I noted previously, what this buys depends on where you live and the problem with picking a comparatively low number and claiming this taxes “the rich” is problematic. A cop and a teacher in NYC have a much heavier tax burden than in Detroit. Federal taxes do not take this into account and do become burdensome in high tax states and cities.
Again if we want to “tax the rich” then the current system that punishes earned income is hardly the way to go.
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Al_Moritz
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Irrelevant. It quotes Republicans and points to their own links.
So you find people like Bill Kristol and Peggy Noonan (speechwriter for Ronald Reagan) idiots. Interesting. Keep digging your own grave.
Comments like this just show how fanatically hard right-wing you and and many others here are, far beyond reasonable mainstream conservatism.
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SamH
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Differences of opinion are allowed among conservatives. I know liberals have to lock step and march together as one - perhaps the idea of individual opinions will someday be allowed by them. Maybe they will allow Joe Liberman back into the party then.
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I wouldn’t expect that anytime soon. Supposedly, liberals were disappointed in Obama, but they shut them up in a hurry once campaigning began.
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It does depend on which part of the country you live in. In NYC you almost need to make that amount, especially if you live in Manhattan. And small businesses pay a high rent in New York as well.
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SamH
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Agreed. And I think I pointed that out in a previous post.
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SamH
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I don’t think I made any such comment. You were the one claiming it was ridiculous that people making that kind of money be considered “middle class” - I simply pointed out your error.
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LisaA
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Peggy Noonan has been off the reservation for decades but still seems to think she is an authority. No one in Republican circles considers her anything but a has been who wants to live on her legacy. I greatly respect Bill Kristol however. He was right, these phrases were neither an accurate assessment or helpful in getting elected.
The point is that no one is arguing Romney’s words were poorly chosen. He seemed to put the 50% who don’t pay taxes and the 50% dependent on the government into the same category. The point was with respect to strategy. Why go after those who will never be interested in his message. Obama could spend millions trying to convince me he’s anything but an incompetent narcissistic Leftist. Won’t happen. Further there is some missing portions of the tape. It is easy enough to cut and paste to put things out of context. Remember the Trayvon Martin case where the station cut and pasted George Zimmerman’s words to make it sound like he targeted Martin because he was black.
So what’s your point? You think you can convince me with has been hacks and words with which I agree that I won’t vote for Romney? It’s not going to change anyone’s mind but like Obama’s many blunders “you didn’t build that” “57 states” “spread the wealth around” it does gin up the opposition.
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_Abyssinia
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Democrats who voted for the Stupak amendment: Altmire, Baca, Barrow, Berry, Bishop (GA), Boccieri, Boren, Bright, Cardoza, Carney, Chandler, Childers, Cooper, Costa, Costello, Cuellar, Dahlkemper, Davis (AL), Davis (TN), Donnelly (IN), Doyle, Driehaus, Ellsworth, Etheridge, Gordon (TN), Griffith, Hill, Holden, Kanjorski, Kaptur, Kildee, Langevin, Lipinski, Lynch, Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, Melancon, Michaud, Mollohan, Murtha, Neal (MA), Oberstar, Obey, Ortiz, Perriello, Peterson, Pomeroy, Rahall, Reyes, Rodriguez, Ross, Ryan (OH), Salazar, Shuler, Skelton, Snyder, Space, Spratt, Stupak, Tanner, Taylor, Teague, Wilson (OH)
You do some searches on these people and you will realise many of them are not pro life. 1 vote for the stupak amendment although commendable does not make them pro life. Take Michaud, he has a mixed record on abortion, he supports embryonic stem cell research
Pro life groups were speaking out about the abortion premium in the law and the Hyde amendment did not apply to ObamaTax and if these democrats had listened and trusted these pro life groups maybe they would not of not lost their seats
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Al_Moritz
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Of course not, I am not that dumb. I just wanted to expose how extremist hard right-wing your thinking is, given how facile your dismissal is of any dissenters, even Republican ones.
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LisaA
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Oh I’m exposed now. Like there was any question of my politics. I am sure everyone is so grateful for your calling me out like that. Many thought they could convince me to change my vote to Obama…he’s such a strong pro-life candidate and advocate for the Church’s religious freedom…puh-lease.
It still doesn’t make your perspective or your sources any more credible.
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qui_est_ce
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Why are defenders of traditional values always labelled as “extreme?”
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Ecoclimber
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The GOP Party:
A party of angry old white man who want to create a class warfare society.
A party that wants to create a divide between the Haves and Have Nots.
A party where Ayn Rand philosophy of Survival of the Fittest and economic Darwinian evolution is embedded in the party platform.
A party that wants to throw away the Constitution and create a Oligarchy or Plutocracy style of government where powerful corporate lobbyists are represented, NOT the people.
A party that supports big business, corporate cronyism, Banksters and Fraudsters of Wall Street.
A party that believes in corporate Socialism through entitlements, tax incentives, tax loop holes, tax benefits, government subsidies for the wealthy and corporate entities.
A party that supports Communism by building a robust economy in Red China.
A party that believes in building up the economy and creating jobs. Unfortunately, it happens to be in other countries by exporting jobs to third world nations especially to ones opposed to the interests of the United States.
A party that believes in feeding the war machine by entering into unwinnable wars to feed the industrial war sector.
**A party that wants to eliminate government regulations on corporations so that Wall Street can run amuck, energy corporations can pollute the environment, health and safety in the workplace are eliminated, mineral resources are depleted, worker’s benefits are eliminated, collective bargaining is outlawed, health benefits are only allocated to the wealthy, and the other 47% of taxpayers pick up the bill for the resulting chaos of perpetual wars, Wall Street shenanigans, and Superfund cleanups of toxic sites. **
Consumer laws are eliminated so consumers end up with consumers goods that don’t function and toxic and unsafe products are gleefully distributed for purchase.
Whose supporters are dumbied down by Faux News and bombastic carnival barker Rush Limbaugh whose propaganda machine Goebbels would be envious of, dishes out hypnotic spin to the right wing extremists of tea party and Posse Comitatus supporters
Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in their graves!
A party of angry old white man who want to create a class warfare society.
A party that wants to create a divide between the Haves and Have Nots.
A party where Ayn Rand philosophy of Survival of the Fittest and economic Darwinian evolution is embedded in the party platform.
A party that wants to throw away the Constitution and create a Oligarchy or Plutocracy style of government where powerful corporate lobbyists are represented, NOT the people.
A party that supports big business, corporate cronyism, Banksters and Fraudsters of Wall Street.
A party that believes in corporate Socialism through entitlements, tax incentives, tax loop holes, tax benefits, government subsidies for the wealthy and corporate entities.
A party that supports Communism by building a robust economy in Red China.
A party that believes in building up the economy and creating jobs. Unfortunately, it happens to be in other countries by exporting jobs to third world nations especially to ones opposed to the interests of the United States.
A party that believes in feeding the war machine by entering into unwinnable wars to feed the industrial war sector.
**A party that wants to eliminate government regulations on corporations so that Wall Street can run amuck, energy corporations can pollute the environment, health and safety in the workplace are eliminated, mineral resources are depleted, worker’s benefits are eliminated, collective bargaining is outlawed, health benefits are only allocated to the wealthy, and the other 47% of taxpayers pick up the bill for the resulting chaos of perpetual wars, Wall Street shenanigans, and Superfund cleanups of toxic sites. **
Consumer laws are eliminated so consumers end up with consumers goods that don’t function and toxic and unsafe products are gleefully distributed for purchase.
Whose supporters are dumbied down by Faux News and bombastic carnival barker Rush Limbaugh whose propaganda machine Goebbels would be envious of, dishes out hypnotic spin to the right wing extremists of tea party and Posse Comitatus supporters
Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in their graves!
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Al_Moritz
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Really? That’s naive.
I will vote for Obama though. As a practicing Catholic I am pro-life as well, but I am not a one-issue voter. As to whether Catholics are even allowed to vote for Obama, this has been discussed ad nauseam on this board, and I won’t get into a repeat discussion. I vote with my conscience.
BTW, had Huntsman been the candidate (a politician with far more wisdom, accomplishments and credentials than Romney),
a) he would have given Obama a run for the money unlike Mittyboy
b) there would have been a good chance that I would have voted for him. After all, I am not a leftist, but a centrist, and moderate conservatism done well can be very attractive.
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SamH
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Because they can’t get away with using “Nazi”.
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SamH
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I find it amazing that people claim they would vote for Huntsman - especially liberals. They obviously have no idea what his positions were/are on many issues like social security and entitlements.
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