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religioussoup
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Something that I don’t understand…
I’m not sure if your parishes are like this or not, but every week we pray for the calling of young people to the vocations–multiple times a mass.
How in the world are young girls going to feel obligated to answer a calling to be a nun if they aren’t even allowed to assist on the alter?
I’m not sure if your parishes are like this or not, but every week we pray for the calling of young people to the vocations–multiple times a mass.
How in the world are young girls going to feel obligated to answer a calling to be a nun if they aren’t even allowed to assist on the alter?
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religioussoup
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Prodigal_40s
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I didn’t post this. HTH
I quoted it from a poster who strangely disappeared. Very mysterious
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JimG
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The same way, I suppose, that they have felt a call in the past when we had large numbers of young women entering the religious life, at a time when there were no women on the altar.
When I was an altar server—well, back then, it was just altar boys—there were no lectors, no extraordinary ministers of holy communion, no cantors, no readers, and no one in the sanctuary but the priest and the altar boys. The choir was in the choir loft, heard but not seen.
Yet there were not only a lot of vocations to the priesthood, there were a lot of vocations to the religious life, with full convents. Then came the drought.
Today there are fewer sisters to provide examples to girls and young women. Yet in this area, there seems to be something of a mini-renaissance happening with regard to religious life. There are several orders of women religious whose members are aging. But we also have a new order of sisters with younger members, and whose charism is teaching. Recently a new order of monastic carmelites moved here. And an annual discernment retreat for young women has been quite successful. Fr. Z recently made mention of a new order of nuns in the Kansas City diocese who are traditional in their devotions and with young membership. So perhaps the tide is turning.
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ProVobis
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The nuns assisted on the altars and sacristies even before Vatican II, but not at Mass.
However, they did the responses and rang the bells (I heard) inside their little chapels when the priest would say Mass for them there.
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Prodigal_40s
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This thread is an example of the thinking behind making the individuals the centre of attention and that’s why the Church is in the state it’s in.
Clergy making jokes about gorging on food or amusing little anecdotes like last Sunday in our church which was about children going into hospital and seeing Angels wearing surgical scrubs which is quite sweet…also atheistic.
Another classic “God doesn’t mind if you miss Mass. he cares more how you treat your neighbour…” Then there’s a surprise when the pews are empty???
Let’s realise that the Holy sacrifice of the Mass is a scared ritual that we must follow. Not an equal opportunities meeting!!
Clergy making jokes about gorging on food or amusing little anecdotes like last Sunday in our church which was about children going into hospital and seeing Angels wearing surgical scrubs which is quite sweet…also atheistic.
Another classic “God doesn’t mind if you miss Mass. he cares more how you treat your neighbour…” Then there’s a surprise when the pews are empty???
Let’s realise that the Holy sacrifice of the Mass is a scared ritual that we must follow. Not an equal opportunities meeting!!
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KSU
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A calling from the Holy Spirit to a young woman is a call from the same Person who inspired the male alter server norm to begin with.
Why are you confused by Our Lord’s consistency? Did you expect His actions to be contradictory?
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Tigg
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You really need to take a peek:
npr.org/2010/12/22/131753494/for-these-young-nuns-habits-are-the-new-radical
These radical women are an astonishing phenomenon shocking the secular world by displaying happiness, peace, a joy for life, fulfillment and focus on spiritual pursuits. Imagine if you will, such a strange creature who delights in her appointed place before God without a second thought to ambitious or prideful yearnings and without demanding her “rights,”, is certainly not out protesting with “womenpriests” or writing theological works tainted with resentment toward the patriarchy.
Here’s just one quote:
“When I came back to the U.S., I saw our true poverty of the heart and of the mind. And I saw the loneliness,” she says. "It really made me give my life to the church, so I was more open to the advances of God when he asked, ‘Lay down your life!’ "
You go girls!!
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Brendan
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Different charisms require different preparation.
The charism of priest, by definition, is fundamentally connected to service at the altar.
The charisms of women religious are fundamentally different. And NONE of those charisms are associated with altar service.
To recycle some bits from earlier in the thread…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12717035&postcount=282
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hosemonkey
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Neither do I expect an apology. Unless you have served in the military with women, you cannot begin to know what it means. Not to subject women to the rigors, dangers and degradations of service in combat is to truly respect the dignity of women. The requirements of accomodating women in a military environment places additional burdens on the organization which does not assist the mission. The additional security involved in protecting women against the kind of enemies that we are facing now is too great a burden. the trauma of losing friends and comrades is bad enough when your casualties are male, even more horrible to have to put a young girl into a body bag, sometimes in pieces. Thank God, in my day we did not have to deal with females in combat, nor deal with accomodating women aboard ship. Women have their roles, if that makes me a dinosaur, so be it, but I see what I see.
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Prodigal_40s
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No it doesn’t and War is sometimes justifiable when defending people. That calls for physical strength and it is a fact that men and physically stronger than women. Also in the event of huge losses of life in the defending force, who continues the line of people? Practically all of the arguments that are put forward by the liberals are illogical and dangerous. We are not all the same. END OF!
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Prodigal_40s
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This thread must have the entire 0.001%. Big it up for the “MINORITY”! 
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KSU
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What always strikes me is the air of innocent joy they radiate, as contrasted with the air of arrogance and ignorance of the dissident groups.
But then I’m biased.
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KSU
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Just a quick thanks for your Navy Riverine service; over 30% casualties. I was privileged to be a USCG administrator for 12 years and knew some of our guys who served with you folks on the 82-footers.
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pnewton
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I truly do not know what you want in the way of a response. I never referred to altar robes as dresses, if that is what you refer to.
That is called using a “sock puppet” and is against the forum rules. It should be reported if you find someone doing that. I only have one account myself.There also seems to be a remarkably similar posting style between some of the “newer” posters and “established” posters
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Prodigal_40s
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Post 424 in this thread where I quoted your post in which you did actually. Unless you want to say otherwise…
That’s good to know that aliases are against forum rules. It’s uncharitable
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pnewton
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I forgot all about that. I do not do well at cross-tread posting, but I will be happy to explain. I had this funny thing pass through my head that we use the word “dress” as a verb and as a noun. So I started laughing and thought it an irony. So yes, you are correct I did refer to the robes as dresses as a pun in contrast to the verb dressing.
However, if you note, the whole point of that post was that such externals should *not *be a determination of masculinity. I have never worn a kilt, but given the need, I would.
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