Saint Xavier Catholic Church in NYC - "Do you affirm that white privilege is unfair"--"Woke" Catholic Church

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But so is “abortion”. Jesus didn’t talk about abortion either.
No but he talked about life being sacred. “I knew you in my mother’s womb.”
As someone earlier in the thread said, I’m not a liturgy scholar, just a life long Mass attender. I’ve been part of the pledge for recommitment to end abortion at prolife Masses. Pledges of solidarity with victims of genocides, with refugees and with persecuted Christians, that have occurred in my world during my lifetime. All cases dripping in politics.
No politics here. I have not seen a prolife masses. In January, when the March for Life takes place, the parishes I have attended may do an announcement on the March and a short message on abortion during the homily. No pledges with any victim groups either, just a standard weekly mass.
 
He is a priest and his role as a priest to save souls not create division.
Look up Luke 12:53. Christ’s message, as communicated by this priest, can indeed be divisive and isn’t always easy for people to receive.
Maybe it is the assumption that white people are not extending God’s love to everyone that is upsetting.
Is this coming from the priest or from you?
 
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gam197:
He is a priest and his role as a priest to save souls not create division.
Look up Luke 12:53. Christ’s message, as communicated by this priest, can indeed be divisive and isn’t always easy for people to receive.
So you are using the passage: they will be divided, father against son and mother against daughter, to justify this priest bringing division in his congregation.

Yes, God is purifying all Catholics… I do not think you understand this passage.
 
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But so is “abortion”. Jesus didn’t talk about abortion either.
No but he talked about life being sacred. “I knew you in my mother’s womb.”
James 2 8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

Leviticus 19 33 “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Gal 3 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

No politics here. I have not seen a prolife masses.
A rule of thumb is that just because you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.
 
Leviticus 19 33 “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Americans were never foreigners in the land of Egypt, so this verse does not apply. The old covenant does not apply to Christians either.

If you want to apply the Old Testament laws to our politics, when do we start stoning people for engaging in homosexual activity and crossdressing? You will have to give up bacon too.
 
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James 2 8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

Leviticus 19 33 “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Gal 3 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
So why all these passages?
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No politics here. I have not seen a prolife masses.
A rule of thumb is that just because you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.
Politics do happen but they should not. I once attended a Catholic church in Boston where the priest sat in the first pew and was not on the altar. I knew something was not quite right and later learn the Church was not in good standing.
 
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Leviticus 19 33 “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Americans were never foreigners in the land of Egypt, so this verse does not apply. The old covenant does not apply to Christians either.

If you want to apply the Old Testament laws to our politics, when do we start stoning people for engaging in homosexual activity and crossdressing? You will have to give up bacon too.
By your logic then people can justify abortion because gam197 quoted an Old Testament verse to support Jesus New Testament message.
 
It is coming for the situation, that when people do things, they have a reason for it, and he did this, in this way.
??? I’m asking where you’re getting the message that
that white people are not extending God’s love to everyone upsetting.
Who is conveying that and how? It isn’t fair to misquote this priest or put words in his mouth.
So you are using the passage: they will be divided, father against son and mother against daughter, to justify this priest bringing division in his congregation.
He is communicating Christ’s message, which unfortunately can be quite divisive . . . as this thread is clearly demonstrating.
 
We know that God and only God creates life. We know that the baby leaped when Elizabeth met Mary. We know that murder is condemned.

Jesus spoke of life and he said let the little children come to me.
 
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So you are using the passage: they will be divided, father against son and mother against daughter, to justify this priest bringing division in his congregation.
He is communicating Christ’s message, which unfortunately can be quite divisive . . . as this thread is clearly demonstrating.
Christ’s message is not divisive. The priest created division by his political statement during mass. Thread is not clearly demonstrating that Christ meant to divide us.
 
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The priest create division by his political statement during mass.
Why should a message against racial injustice EVER be “divisive?” Catholics are commanded to try and end racial injustice wherever and whenever it exists.

Kindly explain to me HOW this message is controversial. This many posts against the idea simply cannot be because people think the priest said the prayer during the wrong part of the mass. Breitbart never would have covered it, if the story was simply about liturgical requirements.
 
Who is conveying that and how? It isn’t fair to misquote this priest or put words in his mouth.
Where did I do either of those things? I am the one who quoted fully what he said.

Think of a sin that almost everyone agrees is a Very Serious Wrong. I don’t want to bring one up, because they are such serious sins for almost everyone to agree are wrong.

Now, imagine the priest suddenly asking everyone to abjure that sin, to root it of themselves, etc., as he did with racism here.

Why would that be weird? Because it would carry the implication that the people needed to abjure it and root it out of themselves.

That is why I think what he did implies agreement with the idea that all white people are racist.

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That is why I think what he did implies agreement with the idea that all white people are racist.
People are upset because they think a priest implied all white people are racist?

He DID NOT say that. Posters cannot fairly blame a priest for that.
 
From Matthew 10, Jesus said:

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

Sometimes we are challenged to look beyond our society and our politics, to follow Christ even when it goes counter to what the world teaches. That can be divisive. I can only speak for myself, but I know that I still have sin and need to be challenged to look deep into where my own sin hides. Sometimes that sin is a lack of charity, respect, and dignity to my fellow man. I have not yet “arrived.”
 
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gam197:
The priest create division by his political statement during mass.
Why should a message against racial injustice EVER be “divisive?” Catholics are commanded to try and end racial injustice wherever and whenever it exists.
Because it was not a message about injustice but about a political rhetoric “white privilege”.
 
Because it was not a message about injustice but about a political rhetoric “white privilege”.
I’ve read the prayer. It is not about politics, it is about racial justice.

Can you quote me the part of the prayer you think is political?

Plus, didn’t you write earlier that you were upset because he said the prayer at the wrong part of the mass? I thought that was your objection?

Post 156, if you forgot.
 
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From Matthew 10, Jesus said:

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
So you too see Christ as being divisive, wanting to create division.
 
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gam197:
Because it was not a message about injustice but about a political rhetoric “white privilege”.
I’ve read the prayer. It is not about politics, it is about racial justice.

Can you quote me the part of the prayer you think is political?
It has been said over and over again, the words “white privilege” is political rhetoric.
Post 156, if you forgot.
I did not forget and still trying to listen to the whole mass.
 
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