Sanders Thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter SuperLuigi
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I didn’t know that it was possible for a state to secede. How would this come about?
It would happen like it happened in 1860. The Southern states would leave the Union one by one and form the reborn Confederate States of America in opposition to the Sanders Administration.
What is it with you and secession? :eek:

Why should/would the US let any state secede?

Secession would imply seizure of all federal lands and buildings, which constitutes theft from the US government and the rest of the American people.

An individual state would wither and die without support from and access to the rest.
I support the idea of secession in extreme circumstances. Bernie getting elected is an extreme circumstance because he is a socialist. Socialism goes against Southern values.
 
I’m not Southern but Southern values are historically understood as values that are originally associated with the Scotch-Irish (i.e., Ulster Scots) who settled in the South and Pennsylvania before the American Revolutionary War but have now spread as the values of many, though of course not all, Americans.

These values included a strong distrust of government and that religion (originally of the various American sects of Calvinist Christianity) and morality is important as a foundation for society and government.

I think Southern values are best summed up in a famous quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson, who although not Scotch-Irish but a Southerner, said "That government is best which governs least."

“Author (and U.S. Senator) Jim Webb puts forth a thesis in his book Born Fighting to suggest that the character traits he ascribes to the Scotch-Irish such as loyalty to kin, extreme mistrust of governmental authority and legal strictures, and a propensity to bear arms and to use them, helped shape the American identity. In the same year that Webb’s book was released, Barry A. Vann published his second book entitled Rediscovering the South’s Celtic Heritage. Like his earlier book, From Whence They Came (1998), Vann argues that these traits have left their imprint on the Upland South. In 2008, Vann followed up his earlier work with a book entitled In Search of Ulster Scots Land: The Birth and Geotheological Imagings of a Transatlantic People which professes how these traits may manifest themselves in conservative voting patterns and religious affiliation that characterizes the Bible Belt.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans#Influence_on_American_culture_and_identity
 
I’m not Southern but Southern values are historically understood are values that are originally associated with the Scotch-Irish (i.e., Ulster Scots) who settled in the South and Pennsylvania before the American Revolutionary War but have now spread as the values of many, though of course not all, Americans.

These values included a strong distrust of government and that religion (originally of the various American sects of Calvinist Christianity) and morality is important as a foundation for society and government.

I think Southern values are best summed up in a famous quote from Thomas Jefferson, who although not Scotch-Irish but a Southerner, is attributed as saying “That government is best which governs least.”

“Author (and U.S. Senator) Jim Webb puts forth a thesis in his book Born Fighting to suggest that the character traits he ascribes to the Scotch-Irish such as loyalty to kin, extreme mistrust of governmental authority and legal strictures, and a propensity to bear arms and to use them, helped shape the American identity. In the same year that Webb’s book was released, Barry A. Vann published his second book entitled Rediscovering the South’s Celtic Heritage. Like his earlier book, From Whence They Came (1998), Vann argues that these traits have left their imprint on the Upland South. In 2008, Vann followed up his earlier work with a book entitled In Search of Ulster Scots Land: The Birth and Geotheological Imagings of a Transatlantic People which professes how these traits may manifest themselves in conservative voting patterns and religious affiliation that characterizes the Bible Belt.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans#Influence_on_American_culture_and_identity
Thank you for this. I honestly thought “southern values” was more along the lines of slavery is just fine and it’s ok to be prejudiced. Probably depends on who is evoking southern values.
 
Southern values are faith, family, and responsibility. Socialism goes against all three.
 
It would happen like it happened in 1860. The Southern states would leave the Union one by one and form the reborn Confederate States of America in opposition to the Sanders Administration.

I support the idea of secession in extreme circumstances. Bernie getting elected is an extreme circumstance because he is a socialist. Socialism goes against Southern values.
In 2008 Obama won VA, NC, FL and VA and FL again in 2012. So if Bernie were to win the Democratic party’s nomination and those states vote Democratic again, I doubt they would secede.
 
Southern values are faith, family, and responsibility. Socialism goes against all three.
Lets see I’m a liberal, support Bernie and I have faith. Bernie and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to have a nice family with a wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he values dearly. And I don’t personally know him, but he seems to be a responsible person.
 
Lets see I’m a liberal, support Bernie and I have faith. Bernie and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to have a nice family with a wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he values dearly. And I don’t personally know him, but he seems to be a responsible person.
I don’t personally know Bernie, either, Sy, but I do know when asked what he considered his greatest accomplish, he said it was his marriage and children. To me, that sounds like a man who values his family very much.

He also said, and I’m sure you recall, that being Jewish was very important to him, a part of his identity. To me, that sounds like he values his faith.

Like you, I find Bernie Sanders to be a very responsible and honest person, who really seems to care about the US and the people who live here.

If all that’s socialism, I’ll take some more. The US needs it.
 
Lets see I’m a liberal, support Bernie and I have faith. Bernie and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to have a nice family with a wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he values dearly. And I don’t personally know him, but he seems to be a responsible person.
Also, Bernie is not an atheist. He believes in God and speaks like a man that believes so I can conclude that he has faith as well. I guess Bernie is all in as far as Southern Values go.
 
I don’t personally know Bernie, either, Sy, but I do know when asked what he considered his greatest accomplish, he said it was his marriage and children. To me, that sounds like a man who values his family very much.

He also said, and I’m sure you recall, that being Jewish was very important to him, a part of his identity. To me, that sounds like he values his faith.

Like you, I find Bernie Sanders to be a very responsible and honest person, who really seems to care about the US and the people who live here.

If all that’s socialism, I’ll take some more. The US needs it.
Yes Bernie is very compassionate with other peoples money and toward those lucky enough to escape the womb
 
Thank you for this. I honestly thought “southern values” was more along the lines of slavery is just fine and it’s ok to be prejudiced. Probably depends on who is evoking southern values.
This is a shockingly prejudicial thing to think or say. Stunningly so. Perhaps you should actually interact with people from the South from time to time and cure such ignorance.
 
Perhaps that explains why many of the biggest welfare recipient states are in the south. It is pretty amusing to hear people from the south complain about socialism, when much of the south is dependent on it.

wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/
He doesn’t break out defense spending from his calculations. All those military bases here in Florida are going to skew the numbers wildly. Many military members set up residency in Florida to escape state income taxes.

I’d be curious to see the numbers when adjusted for things such as that.
 
LOL There are a lot of Southern states in the top 12 or so. Much more so than the northern states.
Traces of the Atlantic slave trade, civil war, and Jim Crow laws. However, the past is the past and it isn’t the south that is currently imposing an anti-life anti-faith agenda on this country.
 
Southern values are faith, family, and responsibility. Socialism goes against all three.
Guess what. Northern values are faith, family, and responsibility. So are Western values. So are Eastern values. So are MidWest, So are – well, you get the idea.

When you say something like that, many might infer that you are suggesting those who are not from the South or live elsewhere don’t have those selfsame values.

I certainly hope that is an incorrect inference.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top