Schwarzenegger: ‘Extreme Right Wing’ Of Republican Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Compromise’

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Honestly, both Parties of guilty of this. The far Left of the Democratic Party saw to it that all moderates or conservatives on the abortion issue were pushed out of the Party regardless of the consequences. Very scary indeed since, freedom of thought is no longer valued in our halls of Congress…
 
Schwarzenegger - a Kennedy wannabe that helped ruin California. Should anyone really follow political advice from him?
Maybe Ahnuld should get back to movies and fornicating with the hired help. He is an epic disaster as a politician.
 
Honestly, both Parties of guilty of this. The far Left of the Democratic Party saw to it that all moderates or conservatives on the abortion issue were pushed out of the Party regardless of the consequences. Very scary indeed since, freedom of thought is no longer valued in our halls of Congress…
One Democrat I do have some respect for is Joe Manchin.
 
I forgot that it depends on what the definition of “is” is.

Seems like you have the identified the group correctly.

I told you in an earlier post that I do not listen to those shows.
I am sure you will agree that words have meanings and we can’t just have our own private definitions for them.

Sorry, I forgot you were the one who said he didn’t listen to Hannity or M.Savage. In the interests of figuring out what we’re talking about here, where do you get your ideas of supposedly extreme leftists involved in US politiIcs? It has to come from somewhere, since the rhetoric itself is questionable.

We usually save those terms for Communists and others who adhere to those kinds of things. Also, there is a Socialist Party in the USA, and they are quite clear that Democrats are not Socialists.
 

Sorry, I forgot you were the one who said he didn’t listen to Hannity or M.Savage. In the interests of figuring out what we’re talking about here, where do you get your ideas of supposedly extreme leftists involved in US politiIcs? It has to come from somewhere, since the rhetoric itself is questionable.
I prefer to listen to experts like Janeane Garofalo, Jane Fonda, Ellen DeGeneres, Michael Moore, and Barbara Walters who once said she admired Peter Jennings because “he knew there was no such thing as the truth.” Then there is the News Hour on PBS. This is particularly valuable since it has only middle-of-the-road reporters on. I particularly avoided Firing Line when it was on because it was extreme conservative, even though a full 50% of its time was taken up letting middle-of-the-roaders make their cases. Dan Rather was OK until he went Captain Ahab on us and got consumed by the Great White Whale of trying to destroy Bush. If I had to pick a favorite, though, it would have to be Alan Colmes. He is particularly enlightening about the middle-of-the-road cause.
We usually save those terms for Communists and others who adhere to those kinds of things. Also, there is a Socialist Party in the USA, and they are quite clear that Democrats are not Socialists.
Democrats are too conservative for them, are they?
 
Maybe Ahnuld should get back to movies and fornicating with the hired help. He is an epic disaster as a politician.
Agreed.

Was there anything that actually changed when California went from Gray Davis to Arnold? The rolling blackouts stopped - but that was hardly a function of the government.
 
We usually save those terms for Communists and others who adhere to those kinds of things. Also, there is a Socialist Party in the USA, and they are quite clear that Democrats are not Socialists.
Except when leader of the DNC Howard Dean claimed there was no difference between democrats and socialists.
MR. RUSSERT: But is there room in the Democratic Party for a socialist?
DR. DEAN: Well, first of all, he’s not a socialist, really.
MR. RUSSERT: He…
DR. DEAN: He hasn’t said that for a while.
MR. RUSSERT: Oh, he has a–he wrote in his book: “Outside or in the House, I am a Democratic socialist.”
DR. DEAN: Well, a Democratic socialist–all right, we’re talking about words here. He is basically a liberal Democrat, and he is a Democrat that–he runs as an Independent because he doesn’t like the structure and the money that gets involved. And he actually has, I think, some good points about campaign finance reform. The bottom line is that Bernie Sanders votes with the Democrats 98 percent of the time.
 
Except when leader of the DNC Howard Dean claimed there was no difference between democrats and socialists.
The people of his state love Bernie Sanders, no matter what he calls himself.
 
Similar, but I think heretic is more accurate.
Sometimes I wonder…why not take the last step and become Protestant? Why the need to hang on and fight teaching?🤷

Maybe Benedict was right, a smaller, more faithful Church would be better.
 
One Democrat I do have some respect for is Joe Manchin.
I tenatively agree. Weirdly, both NRLC and NARAL are variously reported as giving him 100% ratings. Probably he’s too new to truly rate. He’s not even on one of NARAL’s rating scorecards, and has a 25% NRLC rating on one of theirs. So, again, he might be too new. He did vote against the Blunt amendment, which is not good. I would LIKE to like the man, but we’ll have to see more.
 
Sometimes I wonder…why not take the last step and become Protestant? Why the need to hang on and fight teaching?🤷

Maybe Benedict was right, a smaller, more faithful Church would be better.
I think the “hanging on” motivation varies. I think some know deep in their hearts that the Church is the true Church and won’t leave even though they are rebellious. Some, I’m sure, think the Church will change to suit them. But you know, people sometimes change back to real fidelity, and we can’t forget that.

Some, I think are rebels actively trying to undermine the Church and figure it’s more effective to do it inside the Church than outside. They’re being deceptive. I won’t name names, lest I get kicked out.
 
Sometimes I wonder…why not take the last step and become Protestant? Why the need to hang on and fight teaching?🤷

Maybe Benedict was right, a smaller, more faithful Church would be better.
I agree, to a point. I would prefer, of course, that people learn their faith and align their wills with that of Our Lord. I do believe that heresies need to be pointed out when heretics advance them. We don’t do that to insult. We do it to speak the truth, so others are not deceived.
 
This is the problem with terms like far left wing/far right wing. To me these terms essentially mean anyone who is far enough to one specific side that their ideology has a niche appeal to only a certain group, so pretty much by definition Obama couldn’t be a far left winger. The problem with setting it as some unchanging thing is that the standards change over time. Any major American politician for example would be considered a far left liberal if you transplanted him to 1500s England and they were advocating for things like universal suffrage and lowering the monarchies power.
That’s true, but since we are talking about contemporary times, it’s fair to use the standards of, say, the last 50 years. As you say, it’s absurd to call Obama a left winger at all. He is moderate on most things and actually conservative on several. But some of the things Schwarzenegger is talking about, the extreme right wing, these actually apply. The idea of unilateral, unprovoked, “pre-emptive” military invasion? That would be seen as fairly insane until recent history. The Orwellian redefining of torture as “enhanced interrogation” and making it proud public policy? Not even in Barry Goldwater’s secret dreams would he have proposed that. A major contender for president who stands up and gives a detailed speech about how Satan has taken over most of the country? Speaking of your 1500s England, that would make Santorum a moderate there I guess. A solid Republican like Lugar getting ousted by the Tea Party? In these ways and many more, the Republican Party is becoming beholden to the extreme right wing.
 
It is not intended as a theological term. It is a shorthand term used to convey that a person claims to be Catholic while rejecting the authority of the Church.
If you have a problem with these persons in that you need a shorthand term, do you have a problem as well with the Church when She claims them to be Catholic?
 
Ask him what a heretic is…
If you were to consider someone who for instance would be pro choice and did not believe in transubstantiation a heretic, then I already asked him. I gave him a hypothetical which included those two, and his answer is what I already described. He said they were Catholics based on Baptism, albeit perhaps non practicing. But even in the case of a practicing, the possibility of sin is not excluded from one’s life.
 
If you were to consider someone who for instance would be pro choice and did not believe in transubstantiation a heretic, then I already asked him. I gave him a hypothetical which included those two, and his answer is what I already described. He said they were Catholics based on Baptism, albeit perhaps non practicing. But even in the case of a practicing, the possibility of sin is not excluded from one’s life.
I’m sorry, but non-practicing is not the same as heretic, and I didn’t claim any of the examples weren’t Catholic. I’m guessing you didn’t ask the bishop what a heretic is…
 
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