Shooting at Muhammad cartoon contest in Texas

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grotto said:
If gangs of heinous Islamic terrorist savages are going to behead, stone, rape, burn, you name it kill others for every whim known to them, the least that can be done is to MOCK THEM!

“We need to pray for our enemies and ask the Lord to turn their hearts, if their hearts will not be turned, may He turn their ankles so we will know them by their limping”!

As there were no smart phones back in the day, we need to know what the enemy looks like, therefore the need for drawings! Silhouettes and “profiles” are also valuable!
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Eddie Mac and your posts are very good.

Her conference obviously sounded the alarm. I don’t care to see anyone hurt or killed, including these two misguided young men. All the same, it is a wake up call.

I see now, the Dutchman, Geert Wilders I believe his name is, some or all of his remaining appearances in the US were cancelled over fears I gather of more trouble.
 
estesbob said:
Your premise is wrong and the answer as to why people kill their children is a irelevant as there is no excuse for them doing so
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No excuse was being made for people who kill their children or have no desire to have them.
So all that is wrong is the presumptions about the premise of the questions being asked in the first place, as if the intent was to make excuses for abortion.

This relates well to presumptions being made about Pamela Geller here too.
The patterns of presumptive judgment are getting clearer and clearer now.
 
Divine3 said:
This never would have happened if this arrogant drawing contest hadn’t occurred and imagine if the security guard didn’t get these men-- how many lives then would have been taken? -
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:confused: “Security guard” ??

Your posts sound like you intend messages of love and forgiveness as do most posters and taking that to heart, that is what we are all striving for in this world as Jesus taught.

As we go along, stumbling on the narrow path, we encounter dangerous, evil people, who will sneak up on us in order to fulfill their appetite. We need to know what they look like, sound like, and intend.

The brave Police Officer (working as an off duty security guard in order to augment his LOW paying job - unlike Bill Clinton) was courageous and highly skilled. Personal recognition of his brave service will be celebrated when the Islamic terrorists can’t sneak up on him easily! All those who came close to being bloody meat for the Islamic terrorists are busy thanking him with every breath and prayer of thanksgiving!

P.S. Its getting a little tiresome needing to spell out “Islamic terrorists” or Islamic Jihadists" or all the numerous names they give themselves. Does anyone else have any acceptable shorter, more easily spelled ideas for names? Maybe a contest should be held!
 
Path_Finder said:
If it accomplished nothing, it is odd that we are talking about it so much.
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With the rise of social media getting people to talk is no accomplishment at all - it’s getting them to shut up that is the problem 🙂
 
Darryl1958 said:
No excuse was being made for people who kill their children or have no desire to have them.
So all that is wrong is the presumptions about the premise of the questions being asked in the first place, as if the intent was to make excuses for abortion.

This relates well to presumptions being made about Pamela Geller here too.
The patterns of presumptive judgment are getting clearer and clearer now.
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so we shouldn’t have an opinion on people who kill their children ?
 
Tomdstone said:
Not according to several Catholic Popes, including Pope John Paul II who has shown his profound respect for Islam in several speeches and by kissing the Koran.
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I believe that radical Islam deserves no respect. I think JPII would agree.
 
Divine3 said:
Killing is not ‘good’ – only God is good – self defense and protecting those who participated in this small, minded, reality is a must. Evil minded terrorist or mentally ill USA citizens ( I have no idea if these guys were mentally ill or not or citizens) had the intent to kill and thank God they didn’t get any further with their intent of killing.
This never would have happened if this arrogant drawing contest hadn’t occurred and imagine if the security guard didn’t get these men-- how many lives then would have been taken?
Any moral person who studies the ten commandments knows it is against the 5 commandment to incite someone to evil-- and attacking someones religion can do just that,.
Catechism CCC 2262 - "In the Sermon on the mount, the Lord recalls the commandment,“You shall not kill” and adds to it the proscription of anger, hatred, and vengeance. Going further, Christ asks his disciples to turn the other cheek, to love their enemies. He did not defend himself and told Peter to leave his sword in its sheath.
Thank God the security man protected life and he had to do what ever he could to save lives and he did! God have mercy on the ones killed–
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These men hate Christians and the West in general. What makes you think they wouldn’t have killed other innocent people.

Killing the guilty to protect the innocent is a good thing.

Jesus was speaking of interpersonal relationships, not war and peace.

Jesus never told a soldier to give stop fighting.

Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
 
Darryl1958 said:
No excuse was being made for people who kill their children or have no desire to have them.
So all that is wrong is the presumptions about the premise of the questions being asked in the first place, as if the intent was to make excuses for abortion.

This relates well to presumptions being made about Pamela Geller here too.
The patterns of presumptive judgment are getting clearer and clearer now.
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BTW-the presumptive judgment prevalent in this thread is of Muslims
 
estesbob said:
so we shouldn’t have an opinion on people who kill their children ?
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Why shouldn’t we?
Who even said we shouldn’t?
I think that we should have an opinion.
But you have not yet given your answer to my question.
Again, only incorrect presumptions of what the intent behind the question might be.
 
Path_Finder said:
Eddie Mac and your posts are very good.

Her conference obviously sounded the alarm. I don’t care to see anyone hurt or killed, including these two misguided young men. All the same, it is a wake up call.

** I see now, the Dutchman, Geert Wilders I believe his name is, some or all of his remaining appearances in the US were cancelled over fears I gather of more trouble.**
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Probably a very prudent thing to do.
 
estesbob said:
BTW-the presumptive judgment prevalent in this thread is of Muslims
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And that is a very important and good point, agreed.

Many, most are good people. Probably at least 75%.

But what about the cases where there are a number of men and women who have gone to fight for ISIS or tried to. That is worrisome and I do think such needs to be considered. Many refugees come to this nation. Some are concerned about just allowing anyone into the US willy-nilly. Actions can have consequences.

I vaguely know the background of the Texas shooters, it looks like one was homegrown, the other did have Pakistani heritage.

Unbelievably, the Kingpin for Al Qaeda for awhile was al Alwaki, he was born in the USA to foreign parents but a US citizen nonetheless.

So, I do think all the same, some key issues are brought up without of course engaging in xenophobia.

Virtually ever state in the Union has had some of this extremism. Perhaps the FBI has even said such.
 
estesbob said:
One cannot judge her intent but one more certainly can judge her actions. I find the idea that she is somehow a champion of free speech and or she is battling Islam to be silly . She held a tasteless contest, got a lot of publicity but at the end of the day she accomplished nothing.

She had every right to do so and ifb Muslims don’t like it they should hold a contest mocking her Faith and or criticizing her in every venue possible Which, of course, like her contest, will accomplished absolutely nothing but it makes for good theater
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She certainly demonstrated how fragile the commitment to free speech and religious freedom is.
 
Pamela Geller has definitely shown what cowards the main stream media is when it comes to open debate and free speech. Their signing on the meme CAIR put out, blaming the victim, as if the dead of the World Trade Center needed to apologize to the hijackers. Geller gets it and they don’t, this is a war for the rights of freemen and free women to live their lives as they see fit, without kowtowing to a radical imam and the perpetually easily offended psychotic elements of the human race.

There is no, I believe in the freedom of speech but…. This is a fight for the rights of Americans not to be tyrannized by the sharia law crowd.
 
Such a brief life and so many which are too eager to kill and die. It’s sad.
 
ucfengr said:
She certainly demonstrated how fragile the commitment to free speech and religious freedom is.
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In what way? Other than prove we have the right to be tasteless I fail to see what the purpose of her contest was.
 
estesbob said:
In what way? Other than prove we have the right to be tasteless I fail to see what the purpose of her contest was.
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I believe this has been answered purportedly by a number of persons here, if you don’t accept it, that is understandable. If you want to try to understand it again, I believe there is a good discussion of this in this thread and many editorials out there as well.
 
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