He is not representative of Islam. It is like asking the Roman Catholic Nancy Pelosi what she thinks about government sponsorship of contraceptions. She says it is ok, and then you say it is only the extremists in the Catholic Church who oppose government sponsorship of contraception or abortion.Zuhdi Jasser is a Muslim:
So, it sounds like only the radicals believe in the manner of which you speak, hence, this brought out some radicals.
Killing is not ‘good’ – only God is good – self defense and protecting those who participated in this small, minded, reality is a must. Evil minded terrorist or mentally ill USA citizens ( I have no idea if these guys were mentally ill or not or citizens) had the intent to kill and thank God they didn’t get any further with their intent of killing.Do you think it is a good thing that these terrorists were killed before they killed others?
I tend to agree with Bat ye’or version a little more than Steyn’s. The plan is a little more sinister than what Steyn tells.The intellectual roots of modern Islamism lie very much in the West.
Mark Steyn has a good read of what lukewarm has meant. He notes of how generations of Muslims moved to the West in the sixties and seventies to get away from the sickness ad backwardness of their home societies. Rather than moving into a West confident and believing in itself, they moved into a West embracing multiculturalism, too weak and unsure and even contemptuous of its own history to make it the default choice to learn.
So rather than following their parents into an embrace of Western culture, the children of these immigrants embraced the culture of Islamism with a vengeance.
The same lukewarm response that is present in Westerner’s embrace of their religion is present in the embrace of our culture.
We, the West, are a people who have forgotten how to believe in anything, forgotten the importance of faith.
And we are leading the world along that path.
Aah, but that in no way addresses the nature of my argument, which is not of who Muslims are, but that Mohammed is a false prophet.
**So he is a false prophet but the Muslims don't think that -- just like some people think the pope is the anti christ - **I see what people write, but our job as Catholics is not to ignore politics, science, the arts, etc. There is much more to life than living the liturgy exclusively, only to ignore all else. We need to expand our consciences beyond what we are handed and develop new solutions on our own too. God helps those who help themselves, right…?I 'm not sure you take the time to see what one writes back to you. I have no love for murder but my home is not here forever – God even showed us how to get there with his love and grace – cross to resurrection. We are called to live the liturgy and right now there is Alleluia joy – Mary the Mother of God didn’t forget the crucifixion of Jesus but she also knew the joy of the resurrection. There are organizations out there who are helping give food , shelter and care to the refugees of the middle east – How do you think we can help the people in the Middle East?
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**Aah, but that in no way addresses the nature of my argument, which is not of who Muslims are, but that Mohammed is a false prophet.
**So he is a false prophet but the Muslims don’t think that – just like some people think the pope is the anti christ - **
Random facts. Well, facts are facts–
You can do what you want to make the world a better place.
Nobody is standing in your way. ** (didn’t think you were)
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Estebob has been the most consistent poster in these forums since I have been posting here against abortion.
Catholic teaching is the strongest teaching for life of any religion.
Still, it is not the topic of this thread. We ought to be able to walk and chew gum and the same time. (killing is killing and some people know how to think and chew gum too)
Since you have brought it up, what do you recommend be done in the United States per abortion?
Outlaw it? I’m for that.
But you would then be dealing with many women who would insist they have reproductive rights.
As long as this is brought up, I would not think it is out-of-line to ask your view on this.
Just briefly, per Sufi Islam, when I websearch for those two words and go to the images, I certainly get some interesting ones. By the way, I use bing to search for images, I see some images come up with google. The “eye” thing kind of amazes me.I see what people write, but our job as Catholics is not to ignore politics, science, the arts, etc. There is much more to life than living the liturgy exclusively, only to ignore all else. We need to expand our consciences beyond what we are handed and develop new solutions on our own too. God helps those who help themselves, right…?
My solutions are through a fully Catholic informed conscience. I’m calling for dialogue with the Sufi Muslims, because I believe they are closer to Jesus than the Salafists are. This is one thing.forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=949884
Another is to denounce widespread sin -which is Salafist Sunni Islam. You do realize that an entire region of earth known as the Middle East, filled with souls, is living a life completely contrary to what is right? How can we stand by, watching injustice unfold, doing nothing about it? Why not work with the Sufi, to encourage their influence while offering them greater protection?
Of course, this is political. So is abortion… These are choices Catholics like me work hard to understand and come up with solutions on. Because I care. And Pamela Geller understands what the problem with Islam is too, so she shows everyone…
Yes, to all that you say, but the liturgy goes far beyond our earthly existence and it fuels all that we do – because as you know the Holy Eucharist brings us always to serve the poor. The poor are every where and also the liturgy brings us to Jesus – to live a Trinitarian life. So the liturgy will never take one away from growing in knowledge and grace. May God bless your efforts to help those who are being slaughtered. But I will never agree with promoting a contest which can incite a culture of Islam and religion to kill others in the name of their God. So in this area we may agree to disagree. Peace!I see what people write, but our job as Catholics is not to ignore politics, science, the arts, etc. There is much more to life than living the liturgy exclusively, only to ignore all else. We need to expand our consciences beyond what we are handed and develop new solutions on our own too. God helps those who help themselves, right…?
My solutions are through a fully Catholic informed conscience. I’m calling for dialogue with the Sufi Muslims, because I believe they are closer to Jesus than the Salafists are. This is one thing.forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=949884
Another is to denounce widespread sin -which is Salafist Sunni Islam. You do realize that an entire region of earth known as the Middle East, filled with souls, is living a life completely contrary to what is right? How can we stand by, watching injustice unfold, doing nothing about it? Why not work with the Sufi, to encourage their influence while offering them greater protection?
Of course, this is political. So is abortion… These are choices Catholics like me work hard to understand and come up with solutions on. Because I care. And Pamela Geller understands what the problem with Islam is too, so she shows everyone…
Before anything can be done about abortion, first we need to find an answer as to why people would prefer to kill their babies over raising them, or, even preferably, not even have those children at all?Since you have brought it up, what do you recommend be done in the United States per abortion?
Outlaw it? I’m for that.
But you would then be dealing with many women who would insist they have reproductive rights.
As long as this is brought up, I would not think it is out-of-line to ask your view on this.
#13Before anything can be done about abortion, first we need to find an answer as to why people would prefer to kill their babies over raising them, or, even preferably, not even have those children at all?
It is not a legal question. It is a political question. It is not even a particularly moral question.
It is a spiritual question.
Likely, it was not my views that were being asked for though, but was just a problem with the quote function.
"The moral equivalency there is just absurd. It’s like blaming somebody who has an argument with a drunk for antagonizing the angry drunk for becoming violent.
"I mean the military families never act out against the Westboro Baptist Church, the Jewish community never acts out against Louis Farrakhan for his radicalism.
- Dr. Zuhdi Jasser
When one looks into this, the outrage seems to mainly be by radicals. I am posting this a 2nd time but the thought dawned on me on who this does anger. Not a moderate like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser or if it does, his reaction is measured.Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Zuhdi-Jasser-islamists-demonize-americans/2015/05/05/id/642783/#ixzz3ZpbzZDLu
So what is the answer to the question. Why do people prefer their offspring to be dead, or to never be born at all?
They HAVE NOT known the FATHER or ME said Jesus. Since they have not known the Father or the Son, the Spirit is not there either. From Jesus’s words, if those who kill us think they are worshipping God, if they are not, who then? There is only one answer.They will expel you from the synagogues;
in fact, the hour is coming when everyone who kills you
will think he is offering worship to God.
They will do this because they have not known either the Father or me.
I have told you this so that when their hour comes
you may remember that I told you.”
You have a point. I dislike mockery as a method to make one’s point but I cannot and will not judge Pamela’s intentions. I cannot read her mind after all.I don’t know if I would go as far as judging the intentions of others. For all I know Pamela can be fighting for what she believes is a good cause for free speech, etc. Her motives might not be hate as some quickly judge they are.
This is what the cartoon contest was about - to mock Islam.
I spent an early part of my life living in an Islamic country. Most of them are what you call Muslim in name only. They more or less resemble the Christians in the US, more secular than Muslim.Islam in its true form may very well be what the catechism refers to in stating that Islam worships God. If this is true then what and where is true Islam? If there exists true Islam somewhere in this world it is a tiny remnant. Those who claim adherence to strict Islamism are the ones most aggressively trying to kill us. It looks like to me that in order for you to be correct then the vast majority of Islamists today are heretical.
From today’s readings at Mass:
They HAVE NOT known the FATHER or ME said Jesus. Since they have not known the Father or the Son, the Spirit is not there either. From Jesus’s words, if those who kill us think they are worshipping God, if they are not, who then? There is only one answer.
Your premise is wrong and the answer as to why people kill their children is a irelevant as there is no excuse for them doing soSo what is the answer to the question. Why do people prefer their offspring to be dead, or to never be born at all?
Muhammad was not just a pederast he was a heretic. He perverted everything he touched. As in my response above to Jharek If Islam ever worshipped the One True Triune God it ceased to do so under the false prophet Muhammad and does not do so today. Thank you for your response. Very interesting.The story of Ishmael in the bible tells us the story of a slave people. God promised they will be vast in number as well. Muslims don’t have the intimacy or know God the way we are privileged to. They still today behave like slaves to the master. They did learn who God was from the Jews and us, but is basically a heresy of Christianity. A heresy that reduces Christ to a mere second-hand prophet below Muhammad. They don’t know the mercy of God. They only see one aspect of God but not what He revealed to us through Jesus Christ. It is a very incomplete, limited knowledge of God.
They are in a sense prisoners of their own knowledge of God. It’s not that they worship a different God, but that they just know very little about Him. For them God is a master and thus require complete submission. For us, God is a master but also a Father.
The problem with just having a “master” knowledge of God is that when some fall and worship the god of this world instead, they still submit to him completely without free will involved.
The other problem with just worshiping a master rather than a father is that free will is limited to non-existent. That’s why we see and we have seen all through out the history of Islam, such a rise of terrorism within them. They are terrorized of God so some of them develop a tendency to terrorize others with the same fears they, themselves, feel about God.
The terrorists are propelled by forces which even they do not understand as there is very little free will involved in Islam in the first place. Years ago, each one made a decision of evil. As the years went on, the evil multiplied and took them in various directions, leading them to commit certain acts.
Submission only can be a double-edged sword. It is a great thing when submitting to the true God, but a horrible thing when one is not submitting to God. That is why we see Muslims who are very good moral people and that is why we see Muslims who are basically demonized human beings roaming the earth, ie ISIS, Boko Haram, Al qaida, Alfurqan, Al shabab, etc…
One cannot judge her intent but one more certainly can judge her actions. I find the idea that she is somehow a champion of free speech and or she is battling Islam to be silly . She held a tasteless contest, got a lot of publicity but at the end of the day she accomplished nothing.You have a point. I dislike mockery as a method to make one’s point but I cannot and will not judge Pamela’s intentions. I cannot read her mind after all.
If it accomplished nothing, it is odd that we are talking about it so much.One cannot judge her intent but one more certainly can judge her actions. I find the idea that she is somehow a champion of free speech and or she is battling Islam to be silly . She held a tasteless contest, got a lot of publicity but at the end of the day she accomplished nothing.
She had every right to do so and ifb Muslims don’t like it they should hold a contest mocking her Faith and or criticizing her in every venue possible Which, of course, like her contest, will accomplished absolutely nothing but it makes for good theater