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pnewton
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Ironic those that support Mr. Make America Great Again simply cannot accept that we could at least have been mediocre in medicine.
Source: Trump still not grasping the severity of the pandemic
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BT3241
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The Tariff that Canada put on the American Goods made of aluminum is to discourage Canadians from buying those Good.
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7_Sorrows
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President Trump did act early and strict and was criticized.7_Sorrows:
If Trump had acted earlier and stricter (like the countries who got the virus under control) then 160,000 would be substantially lower.
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7_Sorrows
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How is covid-19 out of control?
I wear a mask when I go out which is rarely.
I live in Arizona and do not know anyone who has died from covid-19 personally.
I wear a mask when I go out which is rarely.
I live in Arizona and do not know anyone who has died from covid-19 personally.
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Montrose
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He did not. What did he do in February?
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Jeanne_S
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Have you bothered to read the link provided by JBuky on this thread.The comprehensive data is very enlightening.
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7_Sorrows
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Who is to say we won’t be where Italy is in the future? Italy was ahead of the U.S.
when the virus began there, just like New York was ahead of the rest of the U.S.
Why do people keep comparing the U.S. to different countries? There are so
many variables.
I am glad I don’t waste my day worrying about all this.
when the virus began there, just like New York was ahead of the rest of the U.S.
Why do people keep comparing the U.S. to different countries? There are so
many variables.
I am glad I don’t waste my day worrying about all this.
LeafByNiggle
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And they are currently ahead of the U.S. now too - in a big way. Yesterday only 2 deaths in Italy. In the US yesterday there were 554. It would be wonderful if we could be where Italy is now!
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Montrose
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He did nothing in February and even later. I watched him on tv publicly stating he was not responsible for taking action and that it was up to the states. With the shortage of PPE he made the states compete against each other and against the federal government to bid for the PPE resulting in huge increase in prices. NO NATIONAL PLAN.
Before anyone says the national stockpile was depleted when he became President he had over 3 years to fix that and did nothing.
He had the power to do things through the Defense Production Act but resisted for weeks despite pleas from both Democrat and Republican governors and public outcry.
The only good thing that will come out of this tragedy is that Trump will be a one term President.
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7_Sorrows
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Eventually we will be and then the liberals or those who have so much contempt for President Trump will have to find something new to condemn him for. It goes
on and on.
on and on.
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Victoria33
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Let’s remember the Democrats role in this, an attempted coup on the Russian hoax in January,
Then the CDC did not have testing kits at the end of February,
Then, making sure abortion is provided for with any coronavirus relief packages.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
So, yes, the governors of some states are who helped spike this virus by putting people in Nursing homes.
Need we remember, the US is the 3rd most populated country on earth. We would tend to have more than countries a sixth our size.
Then, the travel band was not as strong as it could have been, they allowed some relatives to come into the country but even with a travel ban, let’s not forget, who was saying it was a racist policy.
HCQ with/zinc combo may be the best we have. If it is the most effective and economic treatment, those who are fighting to keep it away from those afflicted, certainly are not doing us a favor.
Then the CDC did not have testing kits at the end of February,
Then, making sure abortion is provided for with any coronavirus relief packages.
Pelosi and Schumer want coronavirus relief to include Planned Parenthood funding - Washington Examiner
If it was not already apparent that the Democrats are not interested in serious negotiation, it should be now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer are reportedly lobbying on behalf of Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization that cannot legally receive...
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So, yes, the governors of some states are who helped spike this virus by putting people in Nursing homes.
Need we remember, the US is the 3rd most populated country on earth. We would tend to have more than countries a sixth our size.
Then, the travel band was not as strong as it could have been, they allowed some relatives to come into the country but even with a travel ban, let’s not forget, who was saying it was a racist policy.
HCQ with/zinc combo may be the best we have. If it is the most effective and economic treatment, those who are fighting to keep it away from those afflicted, certainly are not doing us a favor.
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Montrose
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Just like Trump you are using total actual number of cases to compare with other countries. That is NOT how you do comparisons with other countries.
A comparison is done ON A PER CAPITA basis.
On a per capita basis taking all countries in the world into account there are only 8 worse than the USA in terms of confirmed cases.
Also, on the same basis there are only 8 countries which have less deaths than the USA.
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7_Sorrows
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I am not sure why we need to compare the U.S. to other countries in the
first place, but, yes, per capita, we are around number 8 - not number 1 in the death rate.
There are so many other variables to consider as well.
first place, but, yes, per capita, we are around number 8 - not number 1 in the death rate.
There are so many other variables to consider as well.
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Montrose
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With 213 countries affected by covid-19 I would say having 205 in better shape than the US with regard to confirmed cases and deaths is nothing to boast about (I"m not saying you are doing this - it’s a general comment).
Frankly, it disgraceful that the most powerful country in the world is in such bad shape with covid-19 and Americans should be ashamed of Trump and his administration who have proved to be totally incompetent.
By the way, the reason comparisons come up so often is because most times Trump is behind a microphone he claims the US is in a better situation than other countries which of course is a lie.
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7_Sorrows
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We are in better shape. We have the medical equipment needed, the hospitals and
beds needed. We have the ability to do more testing.
So please explain how you prevent people from getting sick during a pandemic without literally locking them in their houses. You can’t control people’s behavior.
People are still assembling in large groups - young people especially. People are still shopping, going on vacation. Yes, many governors have shut down movie theatres, gyms, bars, etc. to help protect people from making bad decisions and endangering their health and others by congregating in those places.
There are over 300 million people in the U.S. How will you control everyone’s movement and behavior over this many months? You can’t.
Blaming the President and his Administration is a waste of time and people see it for what it is - political rhetoric during an election year. They tune it out.
beds needed. We have the ability to do more testing.
So please explain how you prevent people from getting sick during a pandemic without literally locking them in their houses. You can’t control people’s behavior.
People are still assembling in large groups - young people especially. People are still shopping, going on vacation. Yes, many governors have shut down movie theatres, gyms, bars, etc. to help protect people from making bad decisions and endangering their health and others by congregating in those places.
There are over 300 million people in the U.S. How will you control everyone’s movement and behavior over this many months? You can’t.
Blaming the President and his Administration is a waste of time and people see it for what it is - political rhetoric during an election year. They tune it out.
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Montrose
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Here in the Philippines confinement at home is mandatory. Here in Manila a quarantine pass is required for one household member only to go out for essentials - food, medicine/doctor/hospital, banks. Outside the wearing of masks is mandatory. Anyone caught without a mask or breaking quarantine get a warning for first offence. For subsequent offences fines and jail.
There is also a curfew from 8pm to 5am.
With the worst global health crisis for a hundred years the rights of society MUST take priority over the rights of an individual.
Population here is 109 million.
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7_Sorrows
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Something like that was implemented on Native American lands here in the U.S. because they were having many covid-19 cases and deaths since so many families might live together.
So how long have people been confined to their homes in the Phillipines?
Here (in my state), the middle of March through the middle of May everything was pretty much closed down except for grocery stores and drive thru restaurants and
gas stations. We have 3 big holidays from Memorial Day in May to July 4th and then anothee 3 day holiday Labor Day in September. Summer is a busy time in the
U.S.
I don’t know how law enforcement could be expected to enforce a mandatory
lockdown in our country. They did implement fines and jail on Native American lands, but I don’t believe anywhere else in the country did.
The governors of each state set the rules and restrictions and in some instances it was left to the mayors.
So how long have people been confined to their homes in the Phillipines?
Here (in my state), the middle of March through the middle of May everything was pretty much closed down except for grocery stores and drive thru restaurants and
gas stations. We have 3 big holidays from Memorial Day in May to July 4th and then anothee 3 day holiday Labor Day in September. Summer is a busy time in the
U.S.
I don’t know how law enforcement could be expected to enforce a mandatory
lockdown in our country. They did implement fines and jail on Native American lands, but I don’t believe anywhere else in the country did.
The governors of each state set the rules and restrictions and in some instances it was left to the mayors.
And the total population of both is…?
Total numbers mean nothing without a common denominator.
LeafByNiggle
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Go ahead. Divide each of those numbers by the population of their respective nations.LeafByNiggle:
And the total population of both is…?
Total numbers mean nothing without a common denominator.
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JButky
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Yes. Per Capita is still based on testing… How many, what % of the population… what testing methods were used to determine all sorts of things with currently non standard procedures. Any comparisons are pretty much moot without any standardized total measuring system and methodology. So these statistics mean nothing…
Here’s a statistic. I know more people that received a notification that they tested Covid positive WHO NEVER HAD A TEST, than anyone who has/had Covid. (which is zero).
There’s a whole lot of presumptive stats and modeling done based upon such without definitive evidential proof… It really is a joke watching all these stats being compared with no standard data collection or data reporting.
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