St. Louis Archbishop warns of excommunication over women's ordination

[francesco920]

Basically he is saying that even though it is an automatic excommunication, he is doing it this way to make sure it is absolutely clear they are excommunicated. No grey areas for the Archbishop.

Thank you, that clarifies the matter for me. He is right to leave no gray areas, especially with the heresies of today’s world being so pervasive.

The one thing that bothers me though, and partly the reason I asked the question in my previous post, is that every time you have a situation such as this the media always makes it seem like it’s the Vatican or (Arch)Bishop N. who is excommunicating the offenders as if it’s just the ultraconservative pope/bishop’s backwards opinion. That ordination is a right, that women can be ordained, etc. are heresies that are not compatible with the Catholic Faith period. The Catholic Faith isn’t whatever somebody wants it to be. It’s time these people are honest and stop calling themselves Catholic.

 

[timotheos]

Both women have graduate degrees in theology or pastoral studies and have been active in ministry for years.

McGrath, 69, is the widow of a Roman Catholic deacon. She has worked for the archdiocese, for the theology department at Saint Louis University, has been a campus minister and edited for a religious publisher. She and her late husband were part of a national leadership team for marriage preparation and enrichment programs.

Hudson, 67, is a retired teacher who has been active in parish life. She has done prison ministry for the last 15 years.

What a shame. They have done more “Catholic” work than I will ever do. If they were Anglican ministers, we would probably be complimentary of their work.

Jesus established the Church and sent the Holy Spirit to protect it. For anyone to imply that the Holy Spirit has misled the Church for almost 2000 years seems dangerously bold, to put it mildly. I would not wish to knowingly confront God in this way, esp. using the court of today’s (secular) public opinion. I pray for their return to humility.

-Tim

 

[qui_est_ce]

What a fantastic Archbishop. :extrahappy: The people of St. Louis are lucky to have him. May God continue to give him courage to stand up for Church teaching. :knight2:

You would be surprised. Many Catholics here in St Louis view his many public stances as “controversial.” The St Louis Post Dispatch constantly has him on the front page, along with interviews of “Catholics on the street” denouncing him. He said he would refuse Communion to politicians who support abortion, he stepped down from the board of the local Catholic children’s hospital, Cardinal Glennon, because pro-stem cell research musician Cheryl Crowe was going to perform in a fundraiser. Archbishop Burke is a Canon lawyer, a very holy, spiritual, and intellectual man. He confirmed my daughter. I just don’t get why an archbishop who upholds the teachings of the Church is controversial in the Catholic community!!

I wonder where these women went to seminary? Who is the female “bishop” who is ordaining them? And in a Jewish Synagogue!! Wow, that’s where I’d want to be ordained a priest. Not in the beautiful Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis, Nope a Synagogue. That has certainly strained ecumenism in this community. But of course it’s the archbishop’s fault, not Rabbi Susan Talve of the Central Reform Congregation which is hosting the event.

Here are Susan Talve’s words:
“We are being a sanctuary for people who didn’t have another safe place to go and were asking us for sanctuary.”

I agree, we are blessed to have him as a bishop in the US. There are many here who support him and pray for him. Please all you, too, keep praying.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Excommunicating someone for direct defiance of the church is political? And you are mistaken a bishop can indeed excommunicate someone. I

'm curious-do you think women should be ordained?

The archbishop HAS excommunicated Catholics in the last two years in St. Louis. The entire board of St. Stanislas Kostka Polish Catholic Church, in schism and two new board members. He can excommunicate and he has exercised the priviledge in face of extreme scandals here. Believe me, he met in private with these people. It is the people in schism that are making this public. They rely on the secular media to sensationalize their “holy and altruistic” goals.

oatneyworld.blogspot.com/2005_02_13_archive.html

 

[Servulus]

The St Louis Post Dispatch constantly has him on the front page…

The Saint Louis Post-Dispatch, along with other media outlets, ought to stay out of what doesn’t concern it. This is an internal Church matter.

 

[qui_est_ce]

All the mean-spiritedness in this thread depresses me.

Praying and supporting Archbishop Burke is mean? How mean are the people who openly defy him and make fun of him the editorial “comics” of the St. Louis Post Dispatch?

 

[agapewolf]

Isn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?

He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.

I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
D.

put MORE attention? You apparently have not been following Archbishop burke very well. I’m actually offended by this statement because you have absolutely NO idea what this man has had to endure from the media just to merely stand up for the faith…especially abortion.

I live in St. Louis…I just shook the man’s hand yesterday at the seminary (by the way, he takes walks with the seminarians often).

This is a very very holy Man that before he even got to St. Louis, he was standing up against abortion and we all knew it.

He just endured a rap from the media about Cardinal Glennon foundation wanting to have a sheryl crow (pro-aboriton and embryonic stem cell research) to sing a fund-raising concert. He gave up the chair of the foundation over this. (after a long process of trying to instruct and guide them). This man does not bend …he is a rock!

Do some real research here before you make such an accusation.

 

[qui_est_ce]

The Saint Louis Post-Dispatch, along with other media outlets, ought to stay out of what doesn’t concern it. This is an internal Church matter.

St. Louis has a LOT of Catholics. There is literally a church on every corner in some neighborhoods. So it’s news. When we meet someone for the first time, it’s always “Where did you go to high school?” In my day ('60’s-'70’s) all Catholics went to Catholic grade school and high school. Lutherans went to Lutheran North or Lutheran South. It is a way of identity!

This paper is extremely biased against Catholics. They claim to have a religious editor, Tim Townsend. But really, he is a scandal chaser.

 

[qui_est_ce]

put MORE attention? You apparently have not been following Archbishop burke very well. I’m actually offended by this statement because you have absolutely NO idea what this man has had to endure from the media just to merely stand up for the faith…especially abortion.

I live in St. Louis…I just shook the man’s hand yesterday at the seminary (by the way, he takes walks with the seminarians often).

This is a very very holy Man that before he even got to St. Louis, he was standing up against abortion and we all knew it.

He just endured a rap from the media about Cardinal Glennon foundation wanting to have a sheryl crow (pro-aboriton and embryonic stem cell research) to sing a fund-raising concert. He gave up the chair of the foundation over this. (after a long process of trying to instruct and guide them). This man does not bend …he is a rock!

Do some real research here before you make such an accusation.

HA, you are from St. Louis too! I like you! City or County?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Isn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?

Enforcing Teachings of Catholic Church is political?

He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.

Actually he does, has done so, been appealed and Pope backed the Archbishop.

I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
D.

I guess you don’t participate in the weekly pro-life mass at the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis, and subsequent Rosary march from the Cathedral to Planned Parenthood, complete with large icon of Our Lady of Guadaloupe.

 

[Servulus]

St. Louis has a LOT of Catholics. There is literally a church on every corner in some neighborhoods. So it’s news.

Point well taken. The reference was to editorials and such columnists as Sylvester Brown.

 

[dessert]

put MORE attention? You apparently have not been following Archbishop burke very well. I’m actually offended by this statement because you have absolutely NO idea what this man has had to endure from the media just to merely stand up for the faith…especially abortion.

I live in St. Louis…I just shook the man’s hand yesterday at the seminary (by the way, he takes walks with the seminarians often).

This is a very very holy Man that before he even got to St. Louis, he was standing up against abortion and we all knew it.

He just endured a rap from the media about Cardinal Glennon foundation wanting to have a sheryl crow (pro-aboriton and embryonic stem cell research) to sing a fund-raising concert. He gave up the chair of the foundation over this. (after a long process of trying to instruct and guide them). This man does not bend …he is a rock!

Do some real research here before you make such an accusation.

There was some controversy here in wisc. when he was here before he went to mo. I have kept up on some of the articles about the affairs going on but usually hear later after the fact.
He seems to be leading the way for bishops / archbishops.

How old is he? and now he is starting to do things why has he waited so long?

To me it seems contoversial but to others not.

I don’t live there and I am in the Madison diocese here so only heard such and such but now our bishop is starting to take action against abortion which I’m not saying he doesn’t in word but he went to the clinic and marched and prayed last month, thank God he wasn’t shot.

I do pray for all, do you think I’m a jerk It is just my opinion and I have a right to that!
D.

 

[onetruechurch]

Thanks be to God for Archbishop Burke! May he be created a Cardinal soon!

The one thing I don’t get, though, is that I thought that this mockery of an ordination was already punished by latae sententiae excommunication. Does Archbishop Burke or any bishop for that matter have to actually declare people who do something of this sort excommunicated for them to be excommunicated or does that happen automatically?

At any rate, I thank God that His Excellency is once again bravely defending the Catholic Faith.

Let’s pray for more bishops like him.

Please pray for the Bishop of San Jose. On September 25, 2007 the “Los Gatos Weekly Times” featured an article about a Los Gatos woman celebrating her first mass in Los Gatos (San Jose Diocese) along with her de-frocked husband. The article mentioned that 21 women were ordained last summer and more than 150 are completing their studies for the priesthood. The Bishop in San Jose never responded. He didn’t even write a letter to the editor stating that she was not a true Catholic priest. But, I am not surprised. A few years ago a Catholic High School gal won a first place prize and was featured in the San Jose paper for her article about how she did not believe in the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and how she put the host in her pocket in defiance. At that time I wrote to the Bishop saying she should be publicly punished for her scandal…and the Bishop didn’t even respond to my letter much less punish her.

 

[onetruechurch]

There was some controversy here in wisc. when he was here before he went to mo. I have kept up on some of the articles about the affairs going on but usually hear later after the fact.

I don’t live in Wisconsin, but I remember the “controversy” about Bishop Burke building an American shrine and retreat house in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe in La Crosse, Wisconsin. The “controversy” was about the money. However, the money was all private donations and had nothing to do with taking money from the diocese. Bishop Burke not only did nothing wrong but successfully built his shrine.

 

[dessert]

dessert;2952341:

There was some controversy here in wisc. when he was here before he went to mo. I have kept up on some of the articles about the affairs going on but usually hear later after the fact.

I don’t live in Wisconsin, but I remember the “controversy” about Bishop Burke building an American shrine and retreat house in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe in La Crosse, Wisconsin. The “controversy” was about the money. However, the money was all private donations and had nothing to do with taking money from the diocese. Bishop Burke not only did nothing wrong but successfully built his shrine.

Yes I’ve been to it and it is beautiful, the shrine is very Holy.
D.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Point well taken. The reference was to editorials and such columnists as Sylvester Brown.

I never read his column, he makes my blood boil. I can only imagine what this arbiter of morality would say about this situation.

 

[qui_est_ce]

There was some controversy here in wisc. when he was here before he went to mo. I have kept up on some of the articles about the affairs going on but usually hear later after the fact.
He seems to be leading the way for bishops / archbishops.

How old is he? and now he is starting to do things why has he waited so long?

Wait so long for what?
He is younger than 40, I believe. He has only been archbishop for 4 years. He started right off with St. Stanislas. He didn’t wait long. In fact he was criticized because he didn’t wait long enough! (the Polish church in schism).
What is controversial? Women being censured for simulating ordination?

To me it seems contoversial but to others not.

I

 

[dessert]

Wait so long for what?
He is younger than 40, I believe. He has only been archbishop for 4 years. He started right off with St. Stanislas. He didn’t wait long. In fact he was criticized because he didn’t wait long enough! (the Polish church in schism).
What is controversial? Women being censured for simulating ordination?

To me it seems contoversial but to others not.

I

Maybe I should talk to my advisor about this ?
Do you all think I should talk to my advisor?
Maybe I am wrong?
D.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

Synagogue’s hospitality rankles church
By CHERYL WITTENAUER, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 10, 8:14 AM ET

ST. LOUIS - The Archdiocese of St. Louis and a Jewish Reform congregation are on the same side when it comes to advocating for immigrants and the poor, often finding common ground in a zeal for social justice. But when the Central Reform Congregation offered its synagogue for Sunday’s ordination of two women in a ceremony disavowed by the Roman Catholic church, it drew the ire of church officials and a pledge to never again partner with the congregation.

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[wifeandmomoftwo]

Synagogue’s hospitality rankles church
By CHERYL WITTENAUER, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 10, 8:14 AM ET

ST. LOUIS - The Archdiocese of St. Louis and a Jewish Reform congregation are on the same side when it comes to advocating for immigrants and the poor, often finding common ground in a zeal for social justice. But when the Central Reform Congregation offered its synagogue for Sunday’s ordination of two women in a ceremony disavowed by the Roman Catholic church, it drew the ire of church officials and a pledge to never again partner with the congregation.

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Guess he’ll be labled anti-semitic now