Strong Desire to Attend Mass, But Not Catholic

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Well I think I’ve caught up in this thread now. Phew. I have this "thing"about responding to everyone who responds to me on a forum. I tried to reply and/or send private messages to you all, I hope I didn’t miss anyone! Thanks again all for your help and advice.

I don’t have much to add by way of update. My friend has not contacted me, but then it hasn’t been long either. I’m going to give her a few days before I do anything. Right now I’m just trying to understand this book the priest has given me to read… I’m having difficulty as I mentioned in another post.
Which book is it?

One thing I discovered early on in my exploration of the Catholic faith, is that so many Catholic books actually start in the middle, and work outwards in either direction, like the ripples from a pebble. The Missal, the Liturgy of the Hours, and the Bible are all examples of books that need to be read like that - it isn’t possible or even sensible to read them from start to finish. In the Catechism and other books like that, the Table of Contents is often at the end of the book; not at the beginning - that’s another one that threw me for a loop a couple of times.
I’m going to my first Sunday mass tomorrow, and I’m quite nervous. I actually have to go out to a department store this evening and find a dress or skirt! I am a jean and t-shirt person and don’t even own a skirt currently. But I thought I should dress a little better, it being Sunday.
🙂

Of course, you would be welcome no matter what you wore. But it’s fun to dress up and look nice on Sundays for Mass, and it feels nice to be pretty for Jesus. 😉
 
Whew! I didn’t realize I’d gone on so long. But I wanted to make one final remark: Pursuit of the Catholic Church has added a quiet radiance to my life that pervades everything I do, say or think. It is a stubborn radiance as well, for it persists in exposing even every unworthy thought and insisting that I face and deal with it. It pervades every band rehearsal, every phone call, every bit of housework, everything.
 
Which book is it?
Well I’m almost embarrassed to say but its “The Catholic Catechism” by John Hardon, S.J. I’ve been (attempting) to read the first chapter entitled “The Word of God” which talks about divine revelation, response of faith, function of reason, etc. I did try what you said though… reading from the middle instead. I’m now reading about the commandments, which is Chapter 10, and its making a lot more sense so thanks for the tip!
Of course, you would be welcome no matter what you wore. But it’s fun to dress up and look nice on Sundays for Mass, and it feels nice to be pretty for Jesus. 😉
Ah OK… I wasn’t sure if I would be or not, and I forgot to ask the priest. I’m new to this area and not sure about the local customs. I didn’t want to offend anyone. But that’s good to know, thanks. 🙂
 
The thing is though, I figured because I am not a Catholic I shouldn’t get ahead of myself. But are you saying non-Catholics say the rosary also??
Yes!I was Episcopalian when I bought my first rosary, and I had been fascinated by/drawn to them since I was a child (I was raised Baptist). There’s no reason at all you couldn’t say the rosary if you wanted to. 🙂

The beads are wonderful, but I’ve used my fingers to count before, and you can do it online as well:

orgs.utulsa.edu/newman/rosary.html
ourcatholicfaith.org/onlinerosary.html

(and many more)

Doing it online also takes care of not knowing the prayers. I often also pray it along with a booklet that has artwork for each Mystery, which is nice.

Peace!
 
Oh thanks I’ve never heard of it [Project Rachel], but I will look it up. I would never judge her, we are very good friends and I’m no angel myself… but she should know this??? :confused: We really are very close friends. I’m disappointed if she thinks that. But again, I’m just going to wait a bit and see how it goes, give her some space for now. If she doesn’t contact me for a few days I might send her an email just to let her know there are no hard feelings.
What about just going to the site and reading about it, so you can mention it in case a conversational door opens?
 
Well I’m almost embarrassed to say but its “The Catholic Catechism” by John Hardon, S.J. I’ve been (attempting) to read the first chapter entitled “The Word of God” which talks about divine revelation, response of faith, function of reason, etc.
Yikes! I can understand how that might be rather daunting.
I did try what you said though… reading from the middle instead. I’m now reading about the commandments, which is Chapter 10, and its making a lot more sense so thanks for the tip!
You’re welcome! 🙂

What I did for myself in the beginning, was I went to the library, to the children’s section, and checked out Catholic children’s books for myself. My favourite was “My Big Mass Book.” (I was in my 30s, reading that book at Mass. I’m sure people thought something was wrong with me. I always felt like saying to people, “Nope, no brain damage. Just recovering from Protestantism.” 😃 )

The wonderful thing about children’s books, is that they contain the whole of the information - there is no assumption that you know anything at all, ahead of time. 🙂 (I think Father Hardon assumes that we have completed a Doctoral degree in Philosophy before approaching his work.)

These days, I use the Baltimore Catechism #3, and the Compendium of the Catechism. I don’t read them like a story book from beginning to end, though. Rather, I use the indices, and just look up my current topics of interest. I also use the Universal Catechism that way, as well, but I sometimes get bogged down in the Universal Catechism (ever had one of those days when you’re looking up every second word in the dictionary?), so when that happens, I just go back to the Compendium and to the Baltimore #3. 🙂

I also made it a habit to look for the Mom with the little flock of kids, and sat at Mass right behind her, and just did everything that she told her children to do. 😃
 
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luminoushope:
In fairness to evangelical Christians, I think some of the hardened attitudes about science stem from the current secular assault on public schools.
You are probably right. Though honestly, I’ve never understood why this bothered people, regardless of their faith. I mean, aren’t public schools secular by definition? Or am I missing something here? :confused:

I don’t know much about the concept of intelligent design, its something I will need to read up on when I have more free time. I will say though, I think its crucial for children to learn currently accepted trends in technology and science. I see it from a purely practical standpoint in that, if they hope to pursue a career in technology, medicine, or other science related fields, they must be prepped for courses taught in universities and technical colleges. Differing viewpoints are fine, but they should never take precedence over material required to complete a college education and be successful in life.

I have actually had several run-ins with people who feel the work I do is evil and in league with satan. To be kind to these people though, they have grave misconceptions about the field of robotics in general. Many seem to have this notion that a roboticist is one whose vision is to create terminator-like cyborgs who will eventually rule the world. Or, if they are a little more well-versed, they assume I am a proponent of transhumanism, technological singularity, and similar concepts. I have read the books of Ray Kurzweil and others, I pretty much have to keep current in my field. However, it doesn’t automatically follow that I subscribe to those beliefs. I don’t even consider myself a futurist really. I just like to build things. 😉

Anyhow, I’m a little worried that this discussion is now off topic and I’m trying hard to abide by the rules of the forum. Am I breaking the rules by talking about this here? I guess I should likely ask an admin. I don’t want to do anything wrong or disrespectful. I am here to learn about Catholicism, first and foremost. I am really glad though to hear that the Church is more accepting of science, thank you! Its certainly a huge relief for me.
 
Yes!I was Episcopalian when I bought my first rosary, and I had been fascinated by/drawn to them since I was a child (I was raised Baptist). There’s no reason at all you couldn’t say the rosary if you wanted to. 🙂
Thanks so much, good to hear from someone else who was interested in the rosary from a young age, I did feel a bit weird about it. Thanks also for the links, I bookmarked them to look at tonight.
 
What I did for myself in the beginning, was I went to the library, to the children’s section, and checked out Catholic children’s books for myself. My favourite was “My Big Mass Book.” (I was in my 30s, reading that book at Mass. I’m sure people thought something was wrong with me. I always felt like saying to people, “Nope, no brain damage. Just recovering from Protestantism.” 😃 )
Haha… but that sounds like a really good idea. From a logical standpoint, I think it would be better for me to get the “basics” before I read the more heavy material.
(I think Father Hardon assumes that we have completed a Doctoral degree in Philosophy before approaching his work.)
Well I guess if I’m honest, I probably misled the priest a bit, not intentionally by any means… but we did have a long discussion about Ray Kurzweil’s books. Father D. read The Age of Spiritual Machines and was curious about my thoughts on it. So maybe he assumed if I understood Kurzweil I would understand Hardon too. I think I will get the concepts eventually but I need a foundation first.

Thanks for the suggestions again. I discovered there is a Catholic bookstore nearby and I am going to check it out on my next day off.

I still have not heard from my friend, but mass today went well. I will likely not be online as often after today, at least for a week or so. I’m in the middle of a project at work and this week is going to be very busy. But thanks once again all for the help and I will keep everyone updated.
 
My friend has not contacted me, but then it hasn’t been long either. I’m going to give her a few days before I do anything. Right now I’m just trying to understand this book the priest has given me to read… I’m having difficulty as I mentioned in another post.
JL: I will pray a rosary, Monday 5/4, for your friend, that our Lord might soften her heart, so you can remain friends. It would be good if you and others would also say a rosary for her.
 
Thanks so much, I appreciate it. I don’t want to lose her friendship. And actually I think I will do the same myself. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
So, I am asking you, as Catholics, what do you think? Is my friend right? Should I avoid the Church or should I try mass and see what happens? I know a bit about the teachings of the Church; to be perfectly honest, some aspects are appealing to me and others are not. I worry I would be attending for the wrong reasons, as my friend suggests. I also do not want to be unintentionally disrespectful to the church, with being an agnostic. Though, lately I feel open to changing my beliefs.

Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
Your psychologist friend is doing both you and God a terrible disservice telling you that you need therapy, etc… No your friend is wrong, as this is exactly how the Holy Spirit works. He takes good seeds planted from childhood, new and sometimes trying situations - and yes - even church bells and a church sign, to draw you to the Father. If you are drawn to attend Mass it is the Father drawing you to Himself. Go to the Mass and never let the secular world dissuade you from loving God and turning back to Him and becoming his child officially through Catholic baptism.
 
I apologize if this is not the correct forum for this post. I looked through each forum and this one seemed to best fit with my situation. Sorry for the length also, I tried to be brief but I felt I needed to explain myself a bit.

I am a professional woman in my early 30s, Jewish by birth though I was never religious nor connected with the Jewish community. I consider myself an agnostic.

I grew up in abject poverty. My mother had untreated mental illness and we were homeless/transients much of the time. Some of my earliest memories were of the Missionaries of Charity who had a shelter and soup kitchen in our city. We accessed their services and they were very kind to me.

After my mother’s death I was placed in foster care. I had problems with running away so I went through quite a few homes. When I would run off I would often go back to the Missionaries of Charity, who then would have to call the authorities to pick me up. I think I was quite problematic for them, though in retrospect I was just looking for something familiar.

A priest who frequented the convent/shelter took an interest in me. Ultimately he arranged for me to attend a private school for girls run by the Ursuline Sisters. I thrived there, the sisters and other staff were amazing. I graduated at 16 and went straight to university on a scholarship, where I studied computer science and robotics. I recently obtained my PhD. I’ve never married as I’m pretty much a geeky tech type of person and I’m “married” to my work. I have not kept in touch with any of the sisters or the priest.

Two months ago I started a position in a new city. One of the first things I noticed in my neighborhood was a Catholic church very near my apartment. The church bells ring every day at regular intervals and can be heard from my balcony. I drive by the church on my way to work. A sign outside says there is daily mass at 7 am.

I can’t explain the how or why, but I feel extremely drawn to attend mass. This has gone on for several weeks now. During Easter week I was very conflicted and agitated, I had trouble eating and sleeping, which is very unusual for me. All sorts of good memories of the sisters and the priest have come flooding back, things I haven’t thought of for years. I’m suddenly feeling a tremendous amount of gratitude for everything they did for me, and guilt at not keeping in touch with them. I’m considering writing them all to thank them and let them know I am well.

Yesterday I confided in a close friend regarding recent events. She is an atheist so naturally her response was not a favourable one. She is a psychologist by training, and is of the opinion that I am simply reacting to my recent move - that I am looking to relive some positive aspects of my childhood, the church building nearby is triggering me, and so forth. She’s advised me to avoid the church and see a therapist instead.

So, I am asking you, as Catholics, what do you think? Is my friend right? Should I avoid the Church or should I try mass and see what happens? I know a bit about the teachings of the Church; to be perfectly honest, some aspects are appealing to me and others are not. I worry I would be attending for the wrong reasons, as my friend suggests. I also do not want to be unintentionally disrespectful to the church, with being an agnostic. Though, lately I feel open to changing my beliefs.

Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
Come to the Church! We want you!

Your friend may mean well but she’s wrong. and the Church is the best therapist there could ever be

Just don’t take Communion – save that for the day you actually swim the Tiber. 👍
 
Hi Judith!

Thank you for PM’ing me about your thread. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading it. I can’t beat any of the wonderful advice you have been given already, but I will give you my 2 cents.

I find it absolutely awe inspiring that you are actually hearing God’s call for you to come home. It is difficult to just be quiet enough to hear what He is saying to you. It could not have been a coincidence that you had been running into the priest of the Catholic Church that was calling to you!!! I love that!!! You seem to be very intuitive. I love your openess and humility to everything that is being presented to you. You are right where you need to be, doing exactly what you need to be doing. Don’t ever worry about there being a problem going to the Catholic Church. You are always welcome - everyone is.

As to what to wear, I was always taught that you should dress respectfully. You don’t have to be in a suit or the finest of dresses. Jeans are common, everyday dress and not really considered the best thing to wear to Church. I have worn jeans when coming from or going to a soccer game or something, but I at least try to wear khaki’s or crop pants, in place of jeans. A cute little shirt and shirt with some sandels is fine. No spaghetti straps, no low cut tops, no shirts that show your belly, no shorts, no short-short skirts, no low-slung jeans that show the top of your backside. If you are going to wear those kind of jeans, make sure that your shirt is long enough to cover the top of them. Be comfortable.

In regards to your friend, I am surprised at her reaction. It was much too angry for the situation. You are right, she needs to offer you the same respect as you have offered her in her own decisions. You stated something that is very on point about hanging around with non-Christians, they will not give you the spiritual direction that you need. They will draw you away from it. You have to do this for YOU, your salvation. As you find your way, and become grounded in your spirituality, you will then be in a better position to help your friend. She needs God too, she just will not accept that. Be forgiving and loving to your friend, but you should not ever let her tell you how you should live your life. Her ultimimatum to you is very disrepectful and does not show me that she is as good of a friend to you as you have been to her. This is one of those things that in the end, you may have a tough choice to make. God puts those obstacles in our path to make us stronger for Him. It is too early to tell that now, I just had the thought.

Anyway, have a great week, and I look forward to hearing more of your journey.
 
Thanks again everyone for the comments. I’m still trying to get caught up with this thread, can’t believe all the responses! I apologize for not being able to return yesterday to report how things went at mass and with the priest. It was quite the day though and I was absolutely exhausted when I got home.

So that was all very encouraging for me. I had a number of errands to run so I spent the afternoon doing that. Then I get a call on my cell phone, from my friend, the one I mentioned in my initial post who is an atheist. I probably shouldn’t have, but she asked me how things were going, and she is one of my closest friends (we’ve been friends for 10 years), so I told her I had been to see the priest.

So wow… her reaction was horrible. Really over the top. She was absolutely incensed with me. She threatened to not allow me to see her kids anymore if I continued with this! She has two little boys and I am basically an auntie to them. That really hurt, but I got irritated too. I mean its none of her business what I do, and I haven’t even done anything yet, just searching. I reminded her how the sisters had helped my mother and I when I was a kid. But she was really sarcastic about it and said, “yeah they helped you all right, gave you a bowl of soup with one hand and shook the bible in your face with another… they never got your mother off the streets either… they called the cops on you when you ran away… I suppose you’re going to become a nun now too and go to India…” etc, etc… She called Mother Teresa a "crazy old b*" and told me about a book which exposes the Missionaries of Charity as frauds. Then I said to her, “I’ll talk to you when you are more calm” and hung up. I’m really not good with angry people… I just feel like running away. My mother had schizophrenia and her anger was horrible.

I was stunned. She’s never been that upset with me or that hurtful in the 10 years we’ve known each other. And its puzzling to me also, as she has no Catholic background or experiences that I am aware of, so why she would be taking it so personally is beyond me.

So that upset and exhausted me so I went to bed early. I feel better today but I’m still puzzled by her overreaction. Not sure what’s going to happen to our friendship, but I think I’ll leave her alone for a bit and let her call me if and when she’s ready.

Anyway thank you again everyone. I will write more later.
O noes!

Was that your first run-in with rabid anti-Catholicism? :eek:
 
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Your psychologist friend is doing both you and God a terrible disservice telling you that you need therapy, etc… No your friend is wrong, as this is exactly how the Holy Spirit works. He takes good seeds planted from childhood, new and sometimes trying situations - and yes - even church bells and a church sign, to draw you to the Father. If you are drawn to attend Mass it is the Father drawing you to Himself.
Thank you for confirmation of what I’ve already suspected. The more I think about it (and I have thought about this a lot in the past few weeks!), I believe what you say really is true. There are just too many “coincidences”, too many things falling into place so neatly to be random.
Sailor Kenshin:
Was that your first run-in with rabid anti-Catholicism?
Yes definitely! Though its not entirely new to me, I have experienced some prejudice over the years for various reasons… when I was younger, because I was poor and the neighbourhood I lived in, and as I got older, because I’m Jewish. Nothing to do with my personal beliefs there, as I was raised secular and have never been involved in the Jewish community. Simply the fact that I am a Jew - there are always those people with misconceived notions, passing judgement, or who simply do not like me based on my heritage; its pretty much a given. Its something I’ve learned to accept. I think anyone belonging to a minority or “unpopular” group has to accept these things, at least to an extent, unless you want to be angry and resentful all the time. I just try to live a good life and show by example that I am good person.

I think in this case, I’m more shocked by the source - my close friend - than anything else. I certainly never expected this from her.
 
Hmmm…I had this problem oh about ten years ago. By the way, my former user name was convert in 99. 😃
 
I find it absolutely awe inspiring that you are actually hearing God’s call for you to come home. It is difficult to just be quiet enough to hear what He is saying to you. It could not have been a coincidence that you had been running into the priest of the Catholic Church that was calling to you!!! I love that!!! You seem to be very intuitive. I love your openess and humility to everything that is being presented to you. You are right where you need to be, doing exactly what you need to be doing.
Its amazing to me also… I’m still quite stunned by everything. Worried a bit too at how fast things are moving… once I decided to attend mass it was like opening the floodgates. Its a bit scary still. Though if I’m honest, this is something I have wanted for a long time and just never admitted it to myself.
As to what to wear, I was always taught that you should dress respectfully. You don’t have to be in a suit or the finest of dresses. Jeans are common, everyday dress and not really considered the best thing to wear to Church. I have worn jeans when coming from or going to a soccer game or something, but I at least try to wear khaki’s or crop pants, in place of jeans. A cute little shirt and shirt with some sandels is fine. No spaghetti straps, no low cut tops, no shirts that show your belly, no shorts, no short-short skirts, no low-slung jeans that show the top of your backside. If you are going to wear those kind of jeans, make sure that your shirt is long enough to cover the top of them. Be comfortable.
Thanks for the practical suggestions, I really appreciate the detail here. I was wondering if there were certain “limits” to what was acceptable or not; not that I typically dress really revealing or anything!! I never have felt comfortable doing that, anywhere. But its good to have specific guidelines. I felt a bit embarrassed asking the priest. I will say though, I’m glad I decided to buy a skirt and wear it to Sunday mass. While there I observed the other women, and none of them, I mean none - wore trousers or jeans. So I would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Not sure if its just this parish and local custom, but I’m glad I dressed appropriately. I’m also not sure what I will do with weekday masses… I’ve been trying to catch masses quickly before I go to work, and its really not feasible for me to wear one thing to mass and then change… I don’t have a lot of time. I wear jeans to work always. I noticed there is a group of nuns who attend the early morning mass and I’m tempted to ask one of them, afterwards. Just need to muster up the courage. 😊
Be forgiving and loving to your friend, but you should not ever let her tell you how you should live your life. Her ultimimatum to you is very disrepectful and does not show me that she is as good of a friend to you as you have been to her. This is one of those things that in the end, you may have a tough choice to make. God puts those obstacles in our path to make us stronger for Him.
Yes I agree with what you are saying and I’m really quite conflicted. On the one hand I am hurt and upset with her, and I will stand up for myself; on the other hand I care about her deeply and I want to continue the friendship. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see. I still have not heard from her, and at this point, I’m trying to decide if I should email her or not. Just to let her know I am open to chatting still. Its difficult too because we are in different countries at the moment; its not like I can just show up at her doorstep and speak with her face to face to resolve this…
 
Hmmm…I had this problem oh about ten years ago. By the way, my former user name was convert in 99. 😃
Haha about your username. 🙂 You mean problem with people being angry and upset with you for converting?
 
Haha about your username. 🙂 You mean problem with people being angry and upset with you for converting?
Well that too. 😛 I was referring to your title “Strong desire to attend mass, but not Catholic.” I had that problem about ten years ago. So I attended mass, and the rest is history. 😉 😃
 
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