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[Aquinas11]

Word on Fire is teaching heterodox belief

That is your assertion.

All I said is that “good Catholic sources” don’t say something contradicted by our Holy Mother and Jesus the Son of God. If you believe Word on Fire meets that description, so be it.

 

[Gab123]

What does “sacramentalize” mean? I agree we need to evangelize better. I mean, look at the evangelicals.

Yes the Evangelicals and other sects in formerly Catholic nations are ushering millions of Catholics out of Catholicism, simply because there are millions of Catholics who were merely sacramentalized and never evangelized. Baptized, yes, given the rest of the sacraments, yes; learning rules, yes; yet know nothing anything about the Bible, how to live and defend the faith using the Bible, or what it means to be a follower of Christ in the midst of the world. Confirmation is but a nice ceremony, instead of an initiation into a spiritual the Army of Christ to share the truth and love of Christ with those who lack Him. All those sects use the Bible to proselytize people out of the Catholic Church.

 

[TheBomb.Com]

Why does sacramentalizing have to be in opposition to evangelizing?

When I was pointing out the evangelicals, I was showing how their missionary strategy is far superior to our’s. Even with no sacraments or solid doctrine, they are able to convert millions of pagans without conforming to their spiritual beliefs. You don’t see pachamamas in pentecostal churches.

 

[goout]

goout:

Word on Fire is teaching heterodox belief

That is your assertion.

All I said is that “good Catholic sources” don’t say something contradicted by our Holy Mother and Jesus the Son of God. If you believe Word on Fire meets that description, so be it.

And you just misrepresented my post. Please remove the false assertion.
Thank you

 

[Gab123]

sounds far worse than putting a photo of naked woman breastfeeding a weasel in Holy Vatican Church

Yes, I agree; it is far worse to misrepresent and build false narratives dividing the Church.

A display booth about the Amazon, and how some natives nurse their children and feed their baby animals may be shocking to someone in our culture. At least they are not aborting their children like they do in our culture. As for nursing animals, I do know of farmers in the Midwest who use human baby bottles to feed their baby animals.

 

[goout]

I said:

There are so many good orthodox Catholic sources. For instance
Word on Fire,

You said:

Good orthodox Catholic sources don’t say we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved, particularly when Lady Fatima showed souls falling into hell like snowflakes and Jesus said some “shall go into everlasting punishment”

Let’s go back and try again.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I hear you saying that Word on Fire, which is headed by Bp Robert Barron, is teaching heterodox belief.
That’s what I hear you saying above. Am I hearing well or are you saying something else? Maybe you didn’t mean to aim the accusation specifically at Word On Fire?

 

[Aquinas11]

So you quoted me saying “Word on Fire is heterodox belief”

And I actually said “Good orthodox Catholic sources don’t say…”

Looks like your post mischaracterized what I said.

Only place where “Word on Fire” and “heterodox belief” are linked is in your post above, why? What was basis of that linkage? Is there something Word on Fire teaches you believe is heterodox? You may be able to make a case.

 

[aroosi]

Honestly I am reading again the original post of goout. I think you are, with fancy words and sophisticated reasoning, twisting what s/he stated very plainly.

 

[RogueSemicolon]

There’s reason to worry that certain Catholics have their sights fixed to such a degree on the form of the liturgy and the text of the faith, obsessing over the correctness of their expressions and seeing error and suspicion on the most minute matters, that there’s a danger they lose sight of the fact that their faith is not mere intellectual assent to the truth but an encounter with the Truth that must be lived, that the will must sacrifice itself entirely to, for this faith to grow and flourish. That is not to say the way we worship and the means we express Church doctrine is unimportant–it is essential to our life in the Church–but these aren’t the entirety of the faith. Without a conversion of the heart to Christ and faith in his Church and her leaders, it’s tempting to give in to pride that we know better than others, especially those within the Church hierarchy, the ways in which doctrines ought to be expressed and how the liturgy ought to be conducted and who is failing to live in accordance to the Gospel. Pray and have faith that Christ will not abandon us or his Church.

 

[Crusader13]

Crusader13:

Pope JP2, said the same thing regarding that issue and three years later that was changed.

What was changed regarding to what pope John Paul 2 said?
“the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women” and that his “judgement is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful”

Apologies, my post was worded poorly. I was speaking in reference to female altar servers. Pope JP2, said that females were not to serve at the altar. However, in merely three years when the new canon law was promulgated, that particular section, was cited as authorizing female altar servers.

And that gets to the heart of the matter. Many of the liturgical changes take advantage of ambiguous language such as this for allowing them to change what they see fit. And when they meet opposition they specifically make reference to these documents.

Which I think is why Dr. Marshall and others are so frustrated with what has transpired over the last several decades. His point is that there has been a constant movement to make changes that are reshaping the Church. And it’s all flown under the banner of Church authority because of these documents that purposefully leave loopholes to get around tradition.

And when people start defending these changes they say things like “well the church in her wisdom…” or “these changes are allowed under section…” and that’s supposed to be the end of the matter.

When in fact the question nobody seems to answer is, why are these changes even being made in the first place???

 

[aroosi]

Beautifully said!

 

[Fauken]

There’s reason to worry that certain Catholics have their sights fixed to such a degree on the form of the liturgy and the text of the faith, obsessing over the correctness of their expressions and seeing error and suspicion on the most minute matters, that there’s a danger they lose sight of the fact that their faith is not mere intellectual assent to the truth but an encounter with the Truth that must be lived, that the will must sacrifice itself entirely to, for this faith to grow and flourish.

What a strawman of Traditionalist concerns. That traditionalists view the Mass and liturgy as intellectual assent. And how dare you insinuate that traditionalists have not and are not sacrificing their wills for their faith. The hours they’ve spent praying for a return of the TLM sanctioned by the diocese. Saving up thousands of dollars to restore churches, purchase vestments, send priests off for training in the TLM, support their seminaries and seminarians. They know sacrifice. They do sacrifice.

 

[Aquinas11]

There’s reason to worry that certain Catholics have their sights fixed to such a degree on the form of the liturgy and the text of the faith obsessing over the correctness of their expressions and seeing error and suspicion on the most minute matters,

it’s tempting to give in to pride that we know better than others, especially those within the Church hierarchy, the ways in which doctrines ought to be expressed and how the liturgy ought to be conducted

the internal contradiction here is beyond stunning

 

[RogueSemicolon]

I’m not making accusations or casting judgment on anyone in particular. I’m pointing out a danger that certain attitudes, that are sincere and well-meaning, can lead one astray. It’s something we all need to protect against.

 

[Fauken]

I’m not making accusations or casting judgment on anyone in particular. I’m pointing out a danger that certain attitudes, that are sincere and well-meaning, can lead one astray. It’s something we all need to protect against.

No, you said:

There’s reason to worry that certain Catholics have their sights fixed to such a degree on the form of the liturgy and the text of the faith, obsessing over the correctness of their expressions and seeing error and suspicion on the most minute matters, that there’s a danger they lose sight of the fact that their faith is not mere intellectual assent to the truth but an encounter with the Truth that must be lived, that the will must sacrifice itself entirely to, for this faith to grow and flourish.

You most certainly did make that towards traditionalists.

 

[RogueSemicolon]

I’m sorry you see it that way. I try not to think of people within the Church as “traditionalist” or “modernist” or “conservative” or “liberal” or whatever other terms that get thrown around and applied or misapplied to the faithful. Yet, I’ve been guilty of it all the same on many occasions. It’s a work in progress. Please know it was not my intention to cast aspersions toward anyone and I’m sorry if that came across nonetheless.

We are all reborn Catholic by our baptism and each of us struggles in our own ways to meet the great demands of Christ throughout our lives. (God knows I’m no better than anyone else . . . especially when I think otherwise.) We are all Catholics at various stages in the journey of the faith, each in different ways in need of renewal or re-conversion. The Pharisee and the Tax Collector come to mind, yes? Pray for me and I’ll pray for you.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

there are millions of Catholics who were merely sacramentalized and never evangelized

This is a common saying and I partly agree with it except that the sacraments ARE needed for salvation, though yes we need to be in right relationship with Christ also.

learning rules, yes;

Personally I do not believe Catholics have been taught the rules. They have not been catechized and so know nothing about the rules.

yes; yet know nothing anything about the Bible

We should only read the Bible under the guidance of the Catholic church, lest we be led astray.

All those sects use the Bible to proselytize people out of the Catholic Church.

Yes, and I personally believe it is not because they use the Bible but because they misuse the Bible. Most evangelical protestants believe in once saved, always saved and no works needed for salvation. This is attractive, tickles peoples ears and is pulling people out of the Catholic church everywhere.

 

[aroosi]

I cannot believe he published it in his Twitter account. No, it is not ‘The Onion’ (unfortunately)…
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[gracepoole]

I was surprised, as well. But now that Regina magazine has publicly announced that it will no longer refer to Francis as pope, we’re in very weird territory. Scary.

 

[Aquinas11]

we’re in very weird territory. Scary.

Agreed

Idols are in Catholic Churches in Rome and Naked photo in Church of Women breastfeeding piglets.