Just because something is beyond our means to protect against does not excuse us from protecting against those things that we CAN protect against.
The Barbarian; said:
Thanks for that feedback from experience. It sounds like what I’ve heard from other people, too.
No, you’re the one who is silly by being ignorant of what is taught. A police officer may not draw their weapon unless their is a grave threat to themselves or others. When they draw that weapon, they must have a reason to use that weapon. Because most people get cold feet when that weapon is drawn is most fortunate for both sides involved, it does not remove the fact that the officer was ready to use deadly force on that person.
You are obviously reading more into what I typed versus what was actually said; I never said I had a concealed weapons permit. Besides, your ignorance is agian showing. Police officers don’t spend a lot of their academy time with weapons training; it is a relatively short part of their long training at the police academy.
Gun accidents are very low on the list of things that cause death.
It is in your opinion this is political and violates the catechism.
Your numbers are horribly wrong. I have no idea where you came up with such a tiny number. In the state of Florida alone there are currently almost DOUBLE that number. Crime data is Florida shows that in 1999 issued 551,000 permits; I found revocation data showing 1995 had only 5 revoked due to a crime with a gun. My state (Indiana) is a small state in terms of population and it has roughly 300,000 permit holders.
State of Texas. They keep records on that sort of thing. If you doubt it, go look it up yourself. It’s correct, for the year cited.
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Yes, and almost all accidents involve, loading, cleaning, repairing or storing, not carrying.
I’m sorry, your post was unclear to me as I thought you were quoting the national number of carry permit holders.
Why are you constantly bringing politics into this thread when nobody else is doing that?
Where are you getting these stats from? Please provide a link?
That’s the problem. If I were a teacher, I would feel obligated to protect those in my charge. If I had no weapon, I would not believe myself relieved of that duty, even if I had to go against an armed assailant. It would still be the right thing to do. Why ask the people who wanted to go to the trouble of getting a CCL to go unarmed to make the anti-gun liberals happy?
I’m an NRA member this is untrue please provide your source?
In Texas, we proudly show the figures. They are a testament to the quality of the training given and are available for any to read. I do not know that police officers could boast as good of a record (or security guards, for that matter).
Absolutely correct. If the perp decides it isn’t worth it and drops his weapon, that’s fine, but in our training we were told, “Any time you, as an officer, have to draw a handgun, 99% of the time, somebody is going to die.”
I disagree. If your security procedures are tight enough that you know what is going into that building, I don’t care if the attack is planned or not: you can uncover and seize whatever is going inside, be it a gun, a knife, a bomb, or a club; and stop the attack before it happens.
Thank you for proving the point that gun control does not work, and the idea should be abandoned.
Again, absolutely correct.
Unless, of course, the perp is tripping on some substance that makes him think he’s invulnerable; or he’s mentally unstable, or just plain in a total irrational rage. You can brandish a sidearm at a charging crackhead all you want, and it won’t faze him one little bit. You can brandish a 155mm howitzer at a crackhead and it won’t faze him. Trust me on this—I’ve been there, you haven’t.
(Um, Barb----the O.K. Corral was in Tombstone, Arizona, not Dodge City.)
Same for a CCW holder or a licensed security officer in Michigan; you cannot draw your wepaon unless you are being confronted with a grave threat (meaning severe bodily harm or death) to yourself or others. In training, you go through various scenarios, such as this, for example:
It happens. But if you think that’s the norm, you aren’t living in this universe.
What makes you think I haven’t been there? “Crackhead”, um? Did you know that there’s no detectable behavior differences between crack use and snorting coke? Unless you do ER duty, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You’re arguing with yourself again. The issue is whether or not police generally shoot at someone after they draw a gun. Mostly, they don’t.
In Texas, you have the right to kill to protect yourself, your family, and your property. So, if someone grabs your wife’s purse and runs, she can legally shoot him as he runs away.
Two things:
Funny, most prison guards/correctional officers are not armed (at least the ones with direct contact w/ the prisoners aere unarmed), so I fail to see how this can be compared to a prison.
I probably have most all here beat on evaluating the drunk and drugged, so I will interrupt with my latest funny story. A twenty year old on a DWI calling home is over-enunciating every word to try and not sound drunk.