The Fear of Hell

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GaryTaylor said:
You mean thats not what you were talking about? šŸ˜ƒ
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If He speaks to you then what kinds of things do you talk about? If you do have a conversation with Him could you not ask Him to have one with me too?

I can simply shout out now, in my room, ā€œGod, please speak to meā€ being careful of course none of the family hear me too loudly and think i have gone crazier than i already am.

But will He really answer me?
 
GuyNextDoor said:
Of course not. He did appear visibly in human flesh to save us. Even visible He was doubted, until the Resurrection. So after you seen Him, then what would you like Him to do? A miracle to believe too? What next?

He did appear to the saints because they truly did their best to follow Him among all the suffering they undergone, the latest I believe was Saint Faustina. Why did you not believe then?

What have we done to reach God to expect Him to meet such a demand as if He can be summoned at our whims & pride? But why would God have to lower Himself to billions of others asking the same question who did nothing to get close to Him?

I wanted God to appear to me too before I can believe Him, like yourself. A voice, a sign, a vision, anything. But why would He do all that for someone as me when all I offered was a threat to reject Him if He do not succumb to my demands?
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I think seeing Him would be miracle enough for me.

I am somewhat familar with the Divine Mercy prayer as i used to pray it for a short time not too long ago.

I donā€™t threaten what i do not really believe in. Although saying that, i have raised a fist up at Him on occasion in times of stress.
 
simonmic said:
If He speaks to you then what kinds of things do you talk about? If you do have a conversation with Him could you not ask Him to have one with me too?

I can simply shout out now, in my room, ā€œGod, please speak to meā€ being careful of course none of the family hear me too loudly and think i have gone crazier than i already am.

But will He really answer me?
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In my estimation thats an affirmative, the question really is how much faith do you have in this concept? How much darkness would have to rain on you to not believe? Iā€™m not sure my inspiration and affirmation was the point here, but you avoided what you mean by the words you bought to the conversation.
 
GaryTaylor said:
In my estimation thats an affirmative, the question really is how much faith do you have in this concept? How much darkness would have to rain on you to not believe? Iā€™m not sure my inspiration and affirmation was the point here, but you avoided what you mean by the words you bought to the conversation.
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Why not tell me what He said to you. Or are you another of the chosen ones who He alone trusts? What inspiration you may have had, would to me be very interestingā€¦is it that you must keep it secret with Him because He has chosen you over me? If you thinki am envious, then i am , definitely am.

Sorry, what exactly did i avoid?
 
simonmic said:
Why not tell me what He said to you. Or are you another of the chosen ones who He alone trusts? What inspiration you may have had, would to me be very interestingā€¦is it that you must keep it secreet with Him because He has chosen you over me? If you thinki am envious, then i am , definitely am.

Sorry, what exactly did i avoid?
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Because we are not taking about me, and the conversation is about the fear of hell. You bought up YOU can SEE GOD? What in the world do YOU mean?
 
simonmic said:
I donā€™t threaten what i do not really believe in. Although saying that, i have raised a fist up at Him on occasion in times of stress.
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Thereā€™s your answer then. Being angry towards God already shows you believe(d) in His existence else you wonā€™t have raised your fist at Him. Your insistence to see Him before deciding to believe in Him is already a threat unknowingly, dear friend.

A verbal threat towards another human being is required to be a valid threat. But to God, it isnā€™t that way. He knows our hearts before we even know it. Most, if not all of the saints whom have seen God, did not insist upon such a demand to see Him but put their hearts into offering every moment of their lives to Him and trusting Him.

God has lowered Himself once by stooping to our level, had his flesh shredded to pieces beyond recognition and died a horrible death, in order to redeem us from our sins. But mankind is never content.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Because we are not taking about me, and the conversation is about the fear of hell. You bought up YOU can SEE GOD? What in the world do YOU mean?
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What is it you donā€™t get? IT NOT LIKE ITā€™S THE BLOODY DA VINCI CODE! I need to see or hear Him and that is all. See or hear Him as i would YOU!

GET IT NOW?

Ok, if it is about hell then i need to see hell to believe itā€¦ if He ainā€™t gonna come to me while i live !! is that enough?
 
simonmic said:
What is it you donā€™t get? IT NOT LIKE ITā€™S THE BLOODY DA VINCI CODE! I need to see or hear Him and that is all. See or hear Him as i would YOU!

GET IT NOW?

Ok, if it is about hell then i need to see hell to believe it if Her ainā€™t gonna come to me!! is that enough?
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I donā€™t get what YOU mean by seeing God? Donā€™t you want to help me understand this? Why are you mad that I asked?
 
GuyNextDoor said:
Thereā€™s your answer then. Being angry towards God already shows you believe(d) in His existence else you wonā€™t have raised your fist at Him. Your insistence to see Him before deciding to believe in Him is already a threat unknowingly, dear friend.

A verbal threat towards another human being is required to be a valid threat. But to God, it isnā€™t that way. He knows our hearts before we even know it. Most, if not all of the saints whom have seen God, did not insist upon such a demand to see Him but put their hearts into offering every moment of their lives to Him and trusting Him.

God has lowered Himself once by stooping to our level, had his flesh shredded to pieces beyond recognition and died a horrible death, in order to redeem us from our sins. But mankind is never content.
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Not necessarilyā€¦Some people wish He was there. Some People say ā€œOh Godā€ even if they are atheists.

He stooped to our level, died ,was resurrected, showed Himself to a ā€œselectā€ number of people, then promptly and conveniently disappeared!
 
simonmic said:
I want to see God as i would see you if i knew you, someone REAL. šŸ¤·
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OK so your not mad at me? šŸ˜Š So think about it, these peoples who literally lived, ate and spoke with the living God. Even among them there were those who didnā€™t believe, kinda believe and believed. The step out in faith is the required ingredient. Blessed are those who donā€™t see and believe I believe to badly paraphrase is the thinking. šŸ™‚
 
Iā€™ll keep on topic for once and again say, i need to see Hell to believe in Godā€¦

Fair enough?
 
GaryTaylor said:
OK so your not mad at me? šŸ˜Š So think about it, these peoples who literally lived, ate and spoke with the living God. Even among them there were those who didnā€™t believe, kinda believe and believed. The step out in faith is the required ingredient. Blessed are those who donā€™t see and believe I believe to badly paraphrase is the thinking. šŸ™‚
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I can smile like you too, see>>>>>:)

Although, i admit, i am a bit of a grump.

I have known Atheists who would wish to believe. I don;t know what one i would called be in terms of belief. I have known Atheists who say they would rather not believe because they think God is cruel.

Look, if i sound rude then it because i am. I am far worse to others when frustrated by them than i can be on on here.

I guess youā€™ll have to forgive me?šŸ™‚
 
simonmic said:
Iā€™ll keep on topic for once and again say, i need to see Hell to believe in Godā€¦

Fair enough?
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Where does one need to go to see hell, into the darkness, I think you need to believe before you arrive? I still donā€™t know what you mean be ā€œseeā€. Iā€™m sorry are these not fair inquiries. We already agreed great intelligence wasnā€™t required here?
 
simonmic said:
Not necessarilyā€¦Some people wish He was there. Some People say ā€œOh Godā€ even if they are atheists.

He stooped to our level, died ,was resurrected, showed himself to a ā€œselectā€ number of people, then promtly and conveniently disappeared!
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1 Corinthians 15:3-6
"I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at onceā€¦"

His Resurrection was not witnessed by only the Apostles, but also by more than 500 others at once, showing His omnipotence before He ascended into Heaven.

Not really a select number of people, if you ask me. He did not ā€˜convenientlyā€™ disappear either and can be found in the Holy Eucharist. The Eucharistic miracles are enough for me. Science til this day, after many rigorous observations and tests could not even explain this phenomena and are extremely baffled by it.
 
simonmic said:
Well iā€™m loaded with alot of thatā€¦lack of, i mean:)

OMG! See! As in your eyes can see your PC monitorā€¦SEE?
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So what would you say of hell you canā€™t see or can see? Did you see and now believe in God?
 
GuyNextDoor said:
1 Corinthians 15:3-6
"I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at onceā€¦"

His Resurrection was not witnessed by only the Apostles, but also by more than 500 others at once, showing His omnipotence before He ascended into Heaven.

Not really a select number of people, if you ask me. He did not ā€˜convenientlyā€™ disappear either and can be found in the Holy Eucharist. The Eucharistic miracles are enough for me. Science til this day, after many rigorous observations and tests could not even explain this phenomena and are extremely baffled by it.
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500 others? Did He not know the other continents around the the globe had people there too? I call 500 a select fewā€¦

Those Apostlesā€¦Would they have still believed had he not been resurrected? If not, then i am just as they were prior to his re-appearence right?
 
GaryTaylor said:
So what would you say of hell you canā€™t see or can see? Did you see and now believe in God?
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Look i donā€™t know ok? If you are talking about faith alone, then faith alone is not proof by definition apparently.
 
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