This misrepresents what is being claimed. It isn’t that the Church itself is a globalization force, but that elements within the Church are promoting globalization. At least let’s properly represent those you don’t agree with us so the discussion has some hope of being productive.
Belittling and misrepresenting your opponent’s position isn’t helping your argument - whatever that might be.
Except that I wasn’t referring to those people who claim that elements within the Church are promoting globalization.
This is how discussions are derailed. One could ask the question: who and why is trying to muddy the waters?
It is odd how Biden’s Build Back Better phrase showed up in the statements of a number of leaders like Trudeau and Boris Johnson, UN organizations, climate change NGOs and TedX talks. No coordination?
Vigano has a long history of sensational rhetoric. He has been quite vocal in calling for Pope Francis to resign. He is well-known for outspoken advocacy for right-wing political causes. When he speaks in this area, he is speaking only as one man and not as a representative of the Church. His opinion should be given no more weight than those of Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson, whose styles and view are similar. The fact that he retains his position in the Church is a testament to the big tent that is the Catholic Church, which accepts both Archbishop Vigano and Father James Martin.Motherwit:
He just recently gave an hour plus long video talk at a Catholic conference.
He said he is doing very well.
Sure he does. He represents those who stand for the timeless traditional teachings of the Church that he and many other churchmen and laity believe are under assault by secular society, but also from those within the Church itself.
I know who Archbishop Carlo Mario Vigano is. You may disagree with his conservativism and his views but he has a long history in the Catholic church working very closely with many in the Vatican, including the Popes, before his retirement in 2016. To say he should be given no more weight than Sean Hannity (who was never a priest, cardinal or bishop, never worked for the Vatican and has left the Church) or Tucker Carlson (who is not Catholic), is neither charitable to the Archbishop or the Church and all of our working and retired priests, bishops and cardinals, especially those fighting the good fight against the attacks on the Church.
The Great Reset is an opportunistic movement that has it’s roots in the U.N. 2030 Agenda. Not just a knee jerk reaction.
There is also a whole lot included in the term “social justice”, not all of it legitimate. The problem with “big tent” ideologies like the modernist heresy is the distinct lack of any commitment to what is true and what is false. Anything goes, so to speak, in the rush to include everyone in the “big tent” and make that watery murkiness the new “testament.”MagdalenaRita:
Vigano has a long history of sensational rhetoric. He has been quite vocal in calling for Pope Francis to resign. He is well-known for outspoken advocacy for right-wing political causes. When he speaks in this area, he is speaking only as one man and not as a representative of the Church. His opinion should be given no more weight than those of Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson, whose styles and view are similar. The fact that he retains his position in the Church is a testament to the big tent that is the Catholic Church, which accepts both Archbishop Vigano and Father James Martin.Motherwit:
He just recently gave an hour plus long video talk at a Catholic conference.
He said he is doing very well.
The Great Reset, as outlined by the World Economic Forum, and properly interpreted, is not nearly as nefarious as Vigano, etc., try to make out. It is a knee-jerk reaction to anything with the word "social" in it, which is ironic, considering that it is being discussed in the CAF forum called Social Justice.
…most of whom do not share his radical views. But it not an uncharitable remark. It is just true that political opinions of clergy do not necessarily represent the Church, but only represent them as individuals. I recall that when Pope Francis made his statements about Climate Change, there were many conservative voices here who were saying much the same thing about him - that his views on Climate Change are not binding and did not represent the Church as a whole, but just represented him as an individual in a field where he is not an authority. Were those conservatives being uncharitable toward Pope Francis by doing that? Did you call them out for being uncharitable? In fact I was quite charitable toward Vigano, putting his private views on the same level as two other conservative voices that you probably respect too.LeafByNiggle:
I know who Archbishop Carlo Mario Vigano is. You may disagree with his conservativism and his views but he has a long history in the Catholic church working very closely with many in the Vatican, including the Popes, before his retirement in 2016. To say he should be given no more weight than Sean Hannity (who was never a priest, cardinal or bishop, never worked for the Vatican and has left the Church) or Tucker Carlson (who is not Catholic), is neither charitable to the Archbishop or the Church and all of our working and retired priests, bishops and cardinals…
Actually it is not socialism that is being promoted by the World Economic Forum. You may have gotten that impression from the statement that we need a Reset to Capitalism. But that is actually in line with the Catechism, which states:
This could be taken as sometimes calling for a “reset” on capitalism if it gets too far off balance, which is essentially the same thing that the WEF is saying.
Yeah I know that, do you know what might help? Making the rich pay their fair share of taxes.
So… roughly a third of what they currently pay?
You are not answering my question. Why not look up that information and let us know what portion “Amazon” should pay?