The 'New Evangelization' for Catholics ... why not join with the Protestant Evangelicals ?

[Koineman]

A – Wrong on this. 1 Cor. 1:14 “I thank God I baptized none of you [disputers … implied here] except Crispus and Gaius.”
Paul baptized many of his converts … just not many of these disputers he was addressing in letter to Corinth Church.

Yes, I overlooked that part. Thank you for the correction.

B – Nope … The Church began with a big bang on Pentecost, 3000 families quickly brought in and baptized on a single day. Also, we know Peter quickly accepted Cornelius and family, in a single day, and baptized them pronto !!! Same with the Eunuch, who Phillip promptly baptized at first opportunity.

Yes, all true, but note that the idea of having people repeat a scripted prayer is not there at all, nor is the idea of asking Jesus into your heart.

That is the beauty of the 4 Laws and Sinner’s Prayer. It is in the form of Peter’s Pentecostal Sermon … it convicts the soul of the sinner, and demands prompt confession and baptism in both water and spirit. If you give a long delay … often satan swoops in and sows his thistles, and steals the good intentions of the convicted sinner.

Well, according to Christ in His parable of the sower, if the devil snatches the word out of their heart, delaying the “sinner’s prayer” is not going to make a difference. The problem lies in the fact that there is no soil there at all: The seed falls on the path. Thus, time is not the issue, but the presence of good soil is.

Thats why Protestants have Altar Calls.

I’d say there’s a lot more to it than that. (See below regarding the theology.)

When the person has true conviction/contrition … that is when Christ and HS perform the miracle, the justification of that soul, and breathe an indwelling ‘fire’ into the heart/mind.

Yes, but that happens through the preached word, as Paul made clear in Romans10:17: “Faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ” (just after he got done talking about the necessity of preachers being sent out with the gospel). My point here is that it is not simply a matter of somehow getting a person to pray a prayer; the person must also be taught the gospel message as best as possible. Do you really think a quick presentation can accomplish that?

C – I do, I will. Yes, I know it is more prevalent today with the Protestant evangelicals … but, in the beginning … it was very Catholic.

There was no sinner’s prayer back then in the sense of praying the prayer, asking Jesus into your heart, and then having the evangelist give you full assurance of salvation based on that alone. If there was any prayer of salvation back then, I seriously doubt it was even close to what is commonly used by many Protestants today.

And that is why the underlying theology is so important to grasp. When you dig into the theology behind the modern use of the sinner’s prayer, you will find it has very little to do with Catholicism and is, in fact, driven by doctrines that the CC outright rejects. As a Catholic, that should be of great concern to you. For example, the sinner’s prayer approach is based on the Protestant teaching that justification is an instantaneous, once-for-all event that guarantees the new “believer” to be in heaven one day–hence the assurance of salvation quickly given after the prayer: “If you prayed that prayer sincerely, congratulations! You are now a child of God and heir of heaven.” (That’s my wording, but it’s based on many sinner’s prayers that I’ve seen.)

Furthermore, the idea of “asking Jesus into your heart” is a distinctly Protestant take on Rev. 3:20 (and a false interpretation, IMO, since Christ was addressing a church in that passage).

You mentioned Christ bringing people to himself quickly and urging the rich young ruler to come to Him. Those things are true, but He also told people to count the cost, so that they would be sure of what they were getting into by following Him. That does not sound to me like hurrying someone into becoming a disciple. Passages like that need to be considered as well.

I’m curious: Have you brought any of this to a priest for his opinion? I’d be very interested to know what he thinks.

I admire your zeal to reach the lost, and I wish there were more like you.

 

[brb3]

Furthermore, the idea of “asking Jesus into your heart” is a distinctly Protestant take on Rev. 3:20 (and a false interpretation, IMO, since Christ was addressing a church in that passage).

You mentioned Christ bringing people to himself quickly and urging the rich young ruler to come to Him. Those things are true, but He also told people to count the cost, so that they would be sure of what they were getting into by following Him. That does not sound to me like hurrying someone into becoming a disciple. Passages like that need to be considered as well.

No two persons are exactly alike, even identical twins. Some of us are ‘visual’, some are ‘cerebral’, some practical, some no so much, some need to “count all the costs” … before making a decision, some of us make ‘quick decisive decisions’ … and move on to the next challenge.

My point is that Christ knows us all, what motivates and makes us respond. Scripture needs to address this aspect … so that scripture can talk to us all. And, as you have discovered … in the scriptures you cite above … on the teachings of Christ.

We know Thomas demanded ‘physical’ proof of the risen Jesus. But, a close read of scripture tells us Christ had earlier met with the 10 others … and also given them the physical proof. So, actually Thomas was only asking to receive what the others had already been privileged to have received. Wanting the same treatment/benefits !

Peter was impulsive, James not so much, John was the social-friendly one. Yet, Christ wanted a ‘motley’ crew of 12 … to be representative of us all. Life is an amazing ‘drama’ … scripture is very dramatic and incredibly interesting. The OT stories are amazing to read. God wanted ‘beauty, intrigue, success, failures, love, poetry, and everything in between’ in his Word. Since he wrote it … no other book is as amazing and transformative on our lives.

 

[Eufrosnia]

Bill Bright developed a dynamic, winning idea for a tract 50 years ago. It forms the heart for the very successful evangelism efforts of non-denominational Protestant organization called Campus Crusade for Christ.

link: www.4laws.com/laws/english/flash/
Its 4 Spiritual Laws and Sinner’s Prayer … have brought millions to discover a Personal Relationship with Christ.

Lets join the CC [Catholic Church] with the CC [Campus Crusade] ----- brother/sisters working together to fulfill the Great Commission in 21st Century, in the spirit of Ecumenism !

CC & CC … bringing a New Pentecost ‘awakening’ to this World & the Church of the Apostles to ‘feed’ them for a lifetime / eternity !

We cannot evangelize together because we don’t proclaim the same truths in every thing. Catholicism requires, first and foremost, full assent to the authority of the Church. Protestantism requires first and foremost, full assent to a book which they proclaim to be Scripture.

Apart from the difficulty of convincing a person using reason to assent to a book as the Word of God (a Transcendent claim), it is far from Catholic foundations in that sense. It might have been ok if the Protestants had same doctrine. But the doctrine is very distorted and only thing in common is that we all claim to follow Christ. But Theologically speaking, even that is not true.

So how can we join forces to evangelize? It will be like evangelizing people to join errors.

 

[brb3]

A–We cannot evangelize together because we don’t proclaim the same truths in every thing. Catholicism requires, first and foremost, full assent to the authority of the Church. Protestantism requires first and foremost, full assent to a book which they proclaim to be Scripture.

B–It might have been ok if the Protestants had same doctrine. But the doctrine is very distorted and only thing in common is that we all claim to follow Christ.

A-- But, don’t we share the ‘same gospel’ ? Don’t Catholics accept the 4 Spiritual Laws … and Sinner Prayers ? Protestants accept the Catholic Bible … well most of it, and all of the Gospels and NT.

B – Not true. Only mildly distorted. Evangelicals are very comfortable with 95% of the CCC. The major hangpoints are Mariology, Purgatory, and Indulgences. Evangelization doesn’t focus on those 3 areas of dispute.

 

[Eufrosnia]

A-- But, don’t we share the ‘same gospel’ ? Don’t Catholics accept the 4 Spiritual Laws … and Sinner Prayers ? Protestants accept the Catholic Bible … well most of it, and all of the Gospels and NT.

Aah, yes, this is possibly the biggest misconception. Do we share the same NT books and most of OT books? Yes we do. But we do not believe it conveys the same truths. We also certainly do not agree on the authority of each individual in being able to interpret the Bible by themselves.

Let me ask you the following. Protestants and those who proclaimed the Arian heresy shared the same Scripture and a lot more apart from theological concepts on Divinity of Christ. Does that mean you and Arian heresy proclaimers can evangelize together?

It is the same situation here.

It does not matter if we share the same book if we don’t interpret the content consistently with the truth. Luther’s errors were such that he created a root for a lot of heresies and confusion that has lead to splintering of Protestantism itself. All because he denied the authority of the Church as the final interpreter and authority on matters of faith and morals in this world.

B – Not true. Only mildly distorted. Evangelicals are very comfortable with 95% of the CCC. The major hangpoints are Mariology, Purgatory, and Indulgences. Evangelization doesn’t focus on those 3 areas of dispute.

Look at the above. Also, Mariology is an integral part of Christianity which Protestants are in error. So is the REAL PRESENCE of Christ in the Eucharist which most Protestants have no clue about. Oh, so are Protestants mistaken with Sola Fide, Sola Gloria, Sola Scriptura, accepting Church of Christ as the final authority.

So no, compared to something like Arianism or Manicheanism, Protestantism is a pretty big beast of errors.

 

[april32010]

Protestantism is a pretty big beast of errors.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[Bonnie]

A-- But, don’t we share the ‘same gospel’ ? Don’t Catholics accept the 4 Spiritual Laws … and Sinner Prayers ? Protestants accept the Catholic Bible … well most of it, and all of the Gospels and NT.

You haven’t been reading very carefully. The 4 Spiritual Laws & Sinner’s Prayer are, taken as a whole, non-Catholic. Parts are Catholic, but by no means the whole thing. Protestants accept their interpretation of the Bible, which can differ a lot from ours.

B – Not true. Only mildly distorted. Evangelicals are very comfortable with 95% of the CCC. The major hangpoints are Mariology, Purgatory, and Indulgences. Evangelization doesn’t focus on those 3 areas of dispute.

Also, depending on which Protestants you talk with, other obstacles can be the Pope & Bishops, Tradition, praying to the Saints, having “idols,” Jesus on the cross instead of off, written prayers instead of spontaneous, Rosary, Eucharist, Sacrament of Reconciliation, all Sacraments, sacramentals, relics…there are a LOT of areas of dispute.

How can you properly evangelize if your co-evangelists are telling people that once they are saved, they should not go to the Catholic Church? That used to be one (of the many) things that bugged me about Hank Hanagraaf - he would tell Catholics who got “saved” to start attending a “Bible believing church” - & he didn’t mean the Catholic Church!

 

[Church_Militant]

Still waiting for those links to the documents you refer to from Dr. Hahn and Pope John Paul the Great.i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/corona_stellarum/Smilies/ththwaiting.gif

 

[Koineman]

No two persons are exactly alike, even identical twins. Some of us are ‘visual’, some are ‘cerebral’, some practical, some no so much, some need to “count all the costs” … before making a decision, some of us make ‘quick decisive decisions’ … and move on to the next challenge.

So you’re saying that Christ meant his exhortation to count the cost only for certain people but not for all alike? If so, what is there about the text that makes you conclude that?

 

[Koineman]

A-- But, don’t we share the ‘same gospel’ ? Don’t Catholics accept the 4 Spiritual Laws … and Sinner Prayers ? Protestants accept the Catholic Bible … well most of it, and all of the Gospels and NT.

If Catholics and Protestants share the same gospel, then the Reformation and Counter-Reformation were a waste of time, since both focused (among other things) on the critical issue of justification by faith or justification by faith alone. Any assessment of the gospel that does not take that issue into serious consideration is an incomplete assessment.

B – Not true. Only mildly distorted. Evangelicals are very comfortable with 95% of the CCC. The major hangpoints are Mariology, Purgatory, and Indulgences. Evangelization doesn’t focus on those 3 areas of dispute.

Brb, have you ever read the sixth session of the Council of Trent carefully? Do you realize that that session said, in no uncertain terms, that those who hold to faith alone (i.e., most Protestants, if not all) are to be anathema? Whether anathema means condemned to hell or excommunicated, it certainly means there is no fellowship with Protestants, according to Trent.

 

[guanophore]

So you’re saying that Christ meant his exhortation to count the cost only for certain people but not for all alike? If so, what is there about the text that makes you conclude that?

I think the instruction to count the cost applies to everyone continually. But there is really no way to know the cost at the outset. When we begin the journey with Christ, we assent to go where He leads, whatever the cost. The disciples dd not know at the beginning they would have to give their lives at the end, or that Jesus would, for that matter.

If Catholics and Protestants share the same gospel, then the Reformation and Counter-Reformation were a waste of time, since both focused (among other things) on the critical issue of justification by faith or justification by faith alone. Any assessment of the gospel that does not take that issue into serious consideration is an incomplete assessment.

I agree that a thorough assessment must be made of what constitutes the Gospel. This is one of the reasons that CAF exists. But there was much more to the Reformation than the issue of justification. And the errors that were occurring at that time needed to be resolved. If the Joint Declaration had been available Luther probably would have calmed down a lot.

Brb, have you ever read the sixth session of the Council of Trent carefully? Do you realize that that session said, in no uncertain terms, that those who hold to faith alone (i.e., most Protestants, if not all) are to be anathema? Whether anathema means condemned to hell or excommunicated, it certainly means there is no fellowship with Protestants, according to Trent.

Yes. The Council of Trent considered the doctrines of the Reformers a significant departure from the gospel that has been handed down from the Apostles. The Apostles taught that faith is never “alone” - that it always exists together with hope and love. The Apostles taught that saving faith is faith that works, and that it will always be accompanied by the obedience of faith. They taught that those who are “in Christ” will follow His commandments, such that their faith that saves is never separated from the works produced by it.

Anathema is a NT term meaning separated from the communion of the Church. The Church has always understood that Jesus is the only way to salvation, and that He is not separated from His One Body, the Church. Therefore, those who are “in Christ” are also members of His One Body. To be separated from the Church is to be separated from Christ Himself, which is to be “accursed”.

The Church never has, and does not, have the authority to condemn anyone to hell. She has the authority to state who is “in Christ” by virtue of their profession of faith, and those who have left the faith. By that I mean it is the duty and responsibility of the Church to identify heresy and teach the faithful about it’s effects. To leave the Apostolic doctrine is to leave the One Faith, and that places a person again in the world, ,which is accursed.

 

[jmcrae]

A-- But, don’t we share the ‘same gospel’ ? Don’t Catholics accept the 4 Spiritual Laws … and Sinner Prayers? Protestants accept the Catholic Bible … well most of it, and all of the Gospels and NT.

B – Not true. Only mildly distorted. Evangelicals are very comfortable with 95% of the CCC. The major hangpoints are Mariology, Purgatory, and Indulgences. Evangelization doesn’t focus on those 3 areas of dispute.

Actually, the major hangpoint is the authority that Christ gave to Peter. Everything else - Mariology, Purgatory, Indulgences, the Council of Trent, Humanae Vitae, and everything else that Protestants either disagree with or consider unimportant, hinges on whether the authority given by Christ to Peter was passed to the Bishop of Rome, or did it die with him?

History shows us that he passed it to the Bishop of Rome, who has carried it to this day, and will until the end of the world.

 

[brb3]

So far … the responses have not been very hopeful. I haven’t seen much enthusiasm yet for Catholics desiring to work together with our Evangelical brethren … to foster better relations/understandings thru working with CRU to witness for Christ.

C. Militant ----
do you realize the Billy Graham had a long visit with JP2, 30 years ago … and they got along marvelously !!! They spoke of being “brothers” … and those were the words of JP2 to Billy ! I’ve been busy the last 24 … but, tonite I may have some time to research this … and get you your citations.

Also, on Scott Hahn … view his latest NEW EVANGELIZATION series, on EWTN. It was last weeks program … aired on Monday nite.

Recall how it took Cornelius and family … to open up Peter’s eyes to God’s will on the Gentiles. What are we waiting for ? Our recent Popes and our best-known Catholic writer … have had their visions from the Father on developing this Ecumenism mission work. Can’t we trust them …“our brothers/sisters” in Christ —when our leaders do ?

 

[Bonnie]

So far … the responses have not been very hopeful. I haven’t seen much enthusiasm yet for Catholics desiring to work together with our Evangelical brethren … to foster better relations/understandings thru working with CRU to witness for Christ.

brb3 - People have been explaining WHY the 4 Spiritual Laws & Sinners prayer are not Catholic. It simply isn’t a good idea to use Protestant materials in evangelization. There are other venues for for ecumenical togetherness with Protestants that aren’t problematic.

I like Billy Graham, too, but if he had whipped out a copy of the 4 Spiritual Laws & tried to “evangelize” Pope JP II, the Pope likely would not have been agreeable to it. Billy Graham respected the Pope & considered him a fellow Christian. Too many Protestants do not consider us to be proper Christians.

 

[guanophore]

 So far .... the responses have not been very hopeful.  I haven't seen much enthusiasm yet for Catholics desiring to work together with our Evangelical brethren .... to foster better relations/understandings thru working with CRU to witness for Christ.

Catholics are encouraged to work together with our evangelical brethren to foster better relations,and to carry out Christ’s desire that we minister to the sick, poor, imprisoned etc.

Why would you be “hopeful” that faithful Catholics would be eager to take part in heresies?

C. Militant ----
do you realize the Billy Graham had a long visit with JP2, 30 years ago … and they got along marvelously !!! They spoke of being “brothers” … and those were the words of JP2 to Billy ! I’ve been busy the last 24 … but, tonite I may have some time to research this … and get you your citations.

Yes. Jesus said that the one who is not working against us is for us.

You didn’t see JPII go on a Crusade with Billy, though, did you.

Also, on Scott Hahn … view his latest NEW EVANGELIZATION series, on EWTN. It was last weeks program … aired on Monday nite.

Recall how it took Cornelius and family … to open up Peter’s eyes to God’s will on the Gentiles. What are we waiting for ? Our recent Popes and our best-known Catholic writer … have had their visions from the Father on developing this Ecumenism mission work.

Who is “we”? It seems clear that you have a strong desire on your heart about this. What are you doing about it, besides trying to pursuade others who do not have it to join you?

Can't we trust them ...."our brothers/sisters" in Christ ---when our leaders do ?

1… Affirming that our evangelical siblings are more effective in evangelistic efforts does not mean that we should necessarily do what they do, or in the manner that they do it. Their zeal to win souls is commendable.

1. It has nothing to do with trusting “them”. The caution has to do with the doctrine upon which their message and methods are based. We cannot participate in leading people into heresies. It would be a mortal sin.

Is that what you believe the Holy Spirit is calling you to do brb3? Is that what you think we are being called to do?

What is it in you that is dissappointed that we are not eager to lead people into heresy by taking up well demonstrated methods that do so?

 

[Eufrosnia]

So far … the responses have not been very hopeful. I haven’t seen much enthusiasm yet for Catholics desiring to work together with our Evangelical brethren … to foster better relations/understandings thru working with CRU to witness for Christ.

C. Militant ----
do you realize the Billy Graham had a long visit with JP2, 30 years ago … and they got along marvelously !!! They spoke of being “brothers” … and those were the words of JP2 to Billy ! I’ve been busy the last 24 … but, tonite I may have some time to research this … and get you your citations.

Also, on Scott Hahn … view his latest NEW EVANGELIZATION series, on EWTN. It was last weeks program … aired on Monday nite.

Recall how it took Cornelius and family … to open up Peter’s eyes to God’s will on the Gentiles. What are we waiting for ? Our recent Popes and our best-known Catholic writer … have had their visions from the Father on developing this Ecumenism mission work. Can’t we trust them …“our brothers/sisters” in Christ —when our leaders do ?

I think you are somewhat confusing a simple matter here. Would a Protestant evangelize with Jehovah’s Witness together? No, yes?

Or how about with a fellow Protestant who firmly believes in the Arian, Pelagian, Manichean or other heresy?

I would think that in all these cases of heresy (in the fellow Protestant case), you will still consider that person to be a loving Brother or Sister. But you will first want to correct their understanding before they go out and try to convert people. Why? Because they will spread their own misunderstandings and errors to others.

Same with Catholics and Protestants. We love our Protestant brothers and sisters, as our Popes do. BUT, we also realize that our brothers and sisters in the Protestant side are in grave error (errors that distort the message of Christ and detract from his Church). Our goal is to first get our beloved Brothers and Sisters to correct their errors and embrace the true faith. That is the goal of Ecumenism. Then we can join hands and take on the world as one. Till then, it is too dangerous, irresponsible and immoral for us to support or join hands in the effort to convert others.

It is immoral in that we do great disservice in causing confusion/scandal to potential converts as to what the true faith is, and it is a disservice to our fellow Protestant brothers and sisters in that we are ignoring their errors and letting them continue in their errors apart from the fullness of the faith that exists in the Catholic Church.

So do not think that this is an act of hatred that we do not want to engage in evangelizing others with Protestants. It is indeed an act of love for the Protestants and the potential converts that we cannot engage in such work of evangelizing together.

 

[brb3]

Let me make the case for Billy Graham … as the steady friend of Catholics and the RCC.

1. He was great friends with Cardinal Cushing
2. He always invited Catholics and the local Catholic Churches to join him at his Crusades. And, he had Priests and Nuns on the Altar with him… when he spoke to the masses.
3. He even allowed priests to serve as ‘organizers’ for his Crusades in some cities.
4. He never wished to ‘convert’ Catholics to other churches. … saying in 1997 interview " I never preached against the RCC beliefs"
5. He received Doctorate in Humane Letters in 1966 from Belmont Abbey, a Catholic University
6. He receive the International Franciscan Award in 1972, from the Franciscan Friars in Minn-St. Paul
7. In 1961 … he said “the Bible affirms ‘infant’ baptism”
8. He disavowed OSAS … and in a 2000 yr interview said “my salvation is not assured, like it is for Mother Teresa”… acknowledging her as a sure saint in the making.
9. He called Bishop Fulton Sheen " the greatest communicator of 20 th century".
10. He call JP2 “the greatest Pope of the Millennium, and a great evangelist”
    11 In 1978, in a McCalls interview he said “I’ve found that my beliefs are essentially the same as those of the RCC — we only differ in some matters of latter Church Traditions”
11. He was enamored with Pope John 23, Pope Paul 6, John Paul 1, JP2, and Benedict… and thought Vatican 2 and its stress on Ecumenism was correct.
    13… In 1981, he was invited to the Vatican by JP2… they had a private meeting lasting 2 hrs. At one point JP2 leaned forward and took hold of Billy, and pulled him up close … looking him straight in the eyes from inches away. Then the Pope said “Mr. Graham, we are Brothers” !! Billy said it was a peak experience for him … as he recalled that event many years later upon the passing of JP2. Billy was invited to the funeral, in advance by the Pope … as he realized he was soon to die. But Billy to was in poor health, and unable to attend … sent his daughter in his stead.
12. He attended funeral Masses, when his Catholic friends died … and called the Mass & the Eucharist …“a very beautiful thing” !!

Don’t Catholics realize that the Evangelical Protestants love them, and the Catholic Church !! We can work together, in Ecumenism to further the Gospel … and show all other Protestants that it is time they too show unity with the Mother Church.

 

[Bonnie]

Let me make the case for Billy Graham … as the steady friend of Catholics and the RCC.

And there were many Evangelicals & other Protestants who considered him a traitor to Christianity.

Don’t Catholics realize that the Evangelical Protestants love them, and the Catholic Church !! We can work together, in Ecumenism to further the Gospel … and show all other Protestants that it is time they too show unity with the Mother Church.

Have you read ANY of the responses? No one is against being ecumenical & doing things with Protestants. Even un-ecumenical me - I go to an ecumenical prayer gathering/pot luck once a month. (Where I once put my foot in my mouth when I asked a 7th Day Adventist from South Africa about biltong - he was very nice about it!)

But we CANNOT agree to use Protestant tracts (which is what the 4 Spiritual Laws is) to evangelize - unless we agree with the Protestants that all converts will be Protestant. We must use Catholic resources that have the truth - and speak the truth boldly.

 

[brb3]

A–And there were many Evangelicals & other Protestants who considered him a traitor to Christianity.

B–Have you read ANY of the responses?

C–But we CANNOT agree to use Protestant tracts (which is what the 4 Spiritual Laws is) to evangelize - unless we agree with the Protestants that all converts will be Protestant. We must use Catholic resources that have the truth - and speak the truth boldly

A-- Yes, Chick and many others, consider him a Catholic at heart. But, in the main, he is loved by his church, the Southern Baptists.

B-- Yours & all …

C – CRU is structured similar to Billy Graham’s evangelical crusades …in that they are devoted to ‘evangelization’ … gaining converts for Christ … not for any one particular church. Now, C. Militant assures us CRU bans Catholics from their ministry … fearful that Catholic evangelists will put their Cath. Church first and foremost, above ‘winning’ souls for the Lord. Perhaps they have found that Catholics always preach the the CC … and don’t stay focused on the Spiritual Laws and Sinner’s Prayer. But perhaps they assume Catholics aren’t interested in their missions… which seems the case.

But, plenty of Catholics have worked with the Billy Graham Crusades for Christ !! And, Billy loved Catholics … and so does his son Franklin Graham, who now runs the organization for his father. So, perhaps Catholics should focus our continued Eucumenism efforts with the Graham Crusades … rather than with CRU. I will contact CRU … and ask if they would re-consider they policy of non-catholic participation.

 

[guanophore]

Don’t Catholics realize that the Evangelical Protestants love them, and the Catholic Church !!

On the contrary, most evangelicals do not share Dr. Graham’s charitable view of Catholics. Many of them don’t even believe we are Christian, and some of those that do accept there are Christians who are Catholic believe we should leave the CC (“come out of her”) so that we can nurture our faith better in a “bible church”.

We can work together, in Ecumenism to further the Gospel … and show all other Protestants that it is time they too show unity with the Mother Church.

Yes, it is possible. What are you planning to do?