The reason why young men are leaving the church

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exnihilo said:
Not yet, but give it time. The father can only ask his daughter to dress better. He can’t really tell her anymore. I draw a distinction between the two.
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A father, and/or mother, most certainly can tell their children to dress better. If not, please cite the applicable laws.
 
The young men must do the reading.

Catholicism is REAL! Folks need to realize there is a 2000 year history PLUS the Old Testament that back up everything that the Catholic Church teaches. It takes more than osmosis to learn what the Catholic Church teaches.

Start with John Zmirak’s book “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism”.

In addition to Zmirak’s book, I recommend two books by Karl Keating: “What Catholics Really Believe” and “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”.

There are inspirational people [we refer to them as saints … and the Catholic Church has a whole procedure that is used in vetting saints …] who come from all walks of life and whose whole life experiences are useful.

Also refer to Joan Carroll Cruz’s book, “Eucharistic Miracles”.

The Catholic Church’s culture and history includes a LOT of miracles … and there are rigorous criteria that the Church uses to define what is an actual miracle.

There is “Catholicism for Dummies” and “Saints for Dummies” , both by Fr. John Trigilio and Fr. Kenneth Brighenti [they have or used to have a television question and answer program].

Fascinating stuff.

But they have to do the reading.
 
The young men must do the reading. Really true,
  1. John Zmirak’s book “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism”
  2. Karl Keating: “What Catholics Really Believe” and
  3. Karl Keating: “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”.
  4. Joan Carroll Cruz’s book, “Eucharistic Miracles”.
  5. Fr. John Trigilio and Fr. Kenneth Brighenti “Catholicism for Dummies” AND
  6. Fr. John Trigilio and Fr. Kenneth Brighenti “Saints for Dummies” ,
The must be a rich collection of readings for reinforcing the catholic faith. Thanks a lot.
Now, a very popular book circulating among the youth presently, is
8… YOUCAT.
9. Compendium - to CCC

I find YOUCAT a very handy book. There are about 526 questions and answers. These are very FAQs. If the searching mind devour the content, one will be compelled to explore more, WITH JOY. This personal exploration shall take the person PURSUE the goal of ENGRAVING FAITH IN HIS HEART.
I have read Catechism of the Catholic Church. For a beginner, it may look hard, though strictly speaking for a person with the unquestioning FAITH it is so simple to grasp.
After all it is the Lord’s prayer, and the Creed elaborated.

But as MonteRCMS stated,
Fascinating stuff. But they have to do the reading.

Sure, if you want friendship , you need to put in effort to initiate and sustain it.
The Living God, Jesus Christ welcomes each young man and woman for that FRIENDSHIP.
The king is not in the palace and you on the foot path.
He is with you, just LEND YOUR EAR. SHEMA ISRAEL.
Halleluia.
 
The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism (No. 2) Paperback – July 1, 1999
by Bennet Kelly (Author)
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Here is a review of the copy of the Baltimore Catechism that I bought and was happily surprised at the extensive guidelines for bible study … AND a summary of the traditional prayers [ page 5] … AND a detailed discussion of the Ten Commandments and of the Commandments of the Church [pages 95-138] and the Sacraments [ pages 144 to 235] … Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick [ aka … the last rites] … Holy Orders, Matrimony.

[If you want to cure the dumbing down of our children and of our adults, then read this book and read it to your children as part of “home schooling” or supplementing the education that your kids are receiving.]

[I started putting yellow stickies on the pages, but there is just so much really excellent, well-summarized, essential material here. Instead of coloring, review these chapters with your kids. Let us take back our Church!]

[Meet with your pastor to get this book added to the teaching curriculum … enough of “learning by osmosis”!]

And of the Mass … pp 259ffm [which by the way is the “new” (restored) translation.

A detailed dictionary … pp 244 ff.

Sacramentals … pp 223 ff.

Prayer … pp 226ff

The virtues: Faith, Hope, and Charity pp 64ff

The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit … pp 65 ff … wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, fear of the Lord.

The twelve fruits of the Holy Spirit … pp 66 ff … charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, long-suffering, mildness, faith, modesty, continency, and chastity.

This book is an amazing reference work that everyone should have front and center in their bookshelf.

The eight beatitudes: pp 67ff

This is an amazing book.

And if you want something with more detailed explanations and discussions and specific prayers and scriptural references, go right to the Catechism of the Catholic Church … and also to “My Daily Bread” by the Confraternity of the Precious Blood
 
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It’s hard to get involved in cultures you don’t like.
For instance a parish culture that is run by women might put men off.
At the same time many men have the idea that ministry is feminine work, which is incorrect.
so you get a never ending circle

The key to solving this issue is for men to do the hard things, like get involved in parish culture.
Ephesians 5 everyone.
 
I guess for someone like me, that is not possible as when I am not working, which I work 16+hours a day, I have my kids the other times.

With my ex-wife not wanting the kids to have anything to do with Catholicism, my hands are tied on doing anything Catholic church related whether it be mass or anything other than mass.
 
DaddyGirl said:
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Arkansan:
Boys don’t consciously dislike the presence of female altar servers, it’s just that boys are less likely to enjoy it.
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That’s not my experience. I’ve asked about 50 male altar servers this question, and they all say they are not less likely to enjoy it if females are also serving.
How many have you talked to who have said they are?
(In fact, most boys I spoke to don’t enjoy doing it in general, but like doing it more if there are girls there).
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WHATEVER ARKANSAN WRITES CONSISTENTLY TENDS TO BE OF HIGHEST QUALITY!!!
DaddyGirl said:
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it’s just that boys are less likely to enjoy it.
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The formation of an Acolyte…Boys, in general, see their manhood challenged, more than girls see their femininity challenged, for being Acolytes since terms like “altar boy” “choir boy” bring with them the implicit negative connotation of “mamas boy”. During their teens the boys, and especially the boys, feel socially diminished and are in permanent conflict with chastity when faced with scandalous lascivious bigotry of their peers reinforced by the general exaltation of sensuality.

@DaddyGirl…(and one wonders about composite nouns)
 
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Understood. Fatherhood is the primary vocation. Others of us have time and location working in our favor. I work a block from the parish so it’s easier to get there.
I also worked ministry into my Sundays by doing choir and RCIA.
 
The Mass should be aimed toward the worship of God, irrespective of the ever-changing preferences of the congregation.

However, since it seems it must be aimed toward one group, if one wishes to see growth, one would be wise to aim it toward men.
 
Xantippe said:
When you have minor children under your roof, you have a lot of latitude as to what you can do, even today.

I would agree with you if you said that he wasn’t legally allowed to beat her until she threw away her tube tops (if anybody today wears those), but boohoo, I guess we parents will just have to limp on without the legal presumption that we can slap our teen children around.
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Why do you think I’m referring to beatings?
 
angel12 said:
A father, and/or mother, most certainly can tell their children to dress better. If not, please cite the applicable laws.
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How do they enforce that against a child who doesn’t want to go along? I mean one who refuses to obey? Again, you can ask but you can’t compel.
 
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