The reason why young men are leaving the church

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Well, Jesus gave us the sacrament of Confession/Penance /Reconciliation … so the dad who is being tormented by his ex-wife and the courts can visit his priest frequently and get some extra grace.
 
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I’ve read that this was common in medieval days, but women would sit on one side and men on the other .
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It’s also been the tradition after medieval times in some countries. India, Mexico and the Netherlands, among other places, kept the practice for centuries.

If you read Samuel Pepys diary where he, a married man, spends Sunday going to a couple different church services in order to hear music and look at and sometimes sexually harass pretty young women he sees in the congregation, you begin to appreciate the benefits of such an approach. I cheered when one girl he was pestering stuck the old pervert with a big pin she apparently kept on her for such a purpose.
 
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He has a dispensation from his priest. God does not ask the impossible, after all.
 
What we need are processions!!! With floats!!! All the men and young men can get together and make the float, which will bring the m together in a very manly activity all around.

And I always thought a ministry of helping poor people with things like minor car repairs (maybe not so practical in this day of complicated cars), plumbing and other “honey-dew” jobs like replacing a screen door, would be good as well.

I think the problem.posed by the original.poster is a real one, but it is partly a result of changes in society as well as changes in the Church. I see it as especially acute in the US, because our parishes used to be more in a neighborhood, so the members of the parish were always running into each other during the week, but now parishes are spread out, and you have to get ready and drive to the church to see other Catholics. I don’t in we have thoroughly adjusted to that yet.
 
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At the same time many men have the idea that ministry is feminine work, which is incorrect.
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Oy vey. How the heck do men get the idea that ministry is “feminine work” when all the apostles and priests have been men-only for 20 centuries?
You can’t get work that’s any less feminine.
In fact, it’s probably the only work women are not allowed to do in this day and age.
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Priests are priests.
Pastoral ministry and parish ministry of other kinds is largely filled by women where I live and I suspect the same in many places in the US. I’m not bemoaning that fact, just making an observation.

I believe men have a responsibility to get involved rather than complain about femininization.

Men have bought into materialism and utilitarianism, where the only masculine expression of ministry is to accomplish things, build things, and be useful in a material way.
These are important tasks, but not at the expense of other types of ministry. There is more to ministry than being useful in a material way. There is a need for more reflective or spiritual ministries, or pastoral ministries. For ex…leading bible studies, teaching RCIA, prayer groups etc…
 
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I’m actually interested to hear from the men about what changes should be made. Assuming that the end goal is to have a balance of course. My suggestion is to have more charismatic priests. I think it was Fr Larry Richard’s? I enjoy his talks for men much more than women’s talks in general. I think people like him would actually help both men and women.
 
Bring back the Holy Name Societies.

They were parish social and fraternal organizations for men.

But the church abolished them.
 
No and I am beyond thankful for that!

We’re going to my ex-wife’s non-denominational (read heavy independent Baptist leaning) church on Sunday morning only because my five year old daughter will be in a play there and she herself asked me to go.

Since I don’t have the kids Christmas eve night, I will probably go to midnight services for Christmas.
 
My condolences on your situation 😦 I hope you simply “happen to” leave lots of Catholic books around as they grow older!

In the meantime, prayer and fasting for your children and wife are probably the best things you can do!
 
REALLY:roll_eyes:

So a Mortal sin in your opinion will be overlooked by God?

Just WHY would God do this?

May God guide your path my friend,

Have a Blessed Christmas and go God a favor and get to the church of your choice.

Patrick
 
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REALLY:roll_eyes:

So a Mortal sin in your opinion will be overlooked by God?

Just WHY would God do this?
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When did God explicitly say it was a mortal sin? He didn’t. Does the Church even teach that there is no exception to it being a mortal sin? No. Is sin determined by God, or by “Catechists.” It’s God, I hope. Will I be able to have a Catechist represent me on judgement day? No.
 
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TINYAD said:
The practice in Syro-Malabar rite of the Roman Catholic Church, of Kerala, India.
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I had not known about any of the practical realities you described here, I find them very valuable! Thank you
 
jfz178 said:
When did God explicitly say it was a mortal sin? He didn’t. Does the Church even teach that there is no exception to it being a mortal sin? No. Is sin determined by God, or by “Catechists.” It’s God, I hope. Will I be able to have a Catechist represent me on judgement day? No.
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REPLY on consecutive POST [you asked 4 questions]

My dearly and sorely mislead friend,
Have you not read God’s 10 Commandments? The second of which IS “Keep Holy the Sabbath day”
The reason you and so many other Protestants are unable to grasp the significance and meaning of this is that you are not accepting the grace God the HS offers you; choosing instead to believe what YOU wish to believe.
Job.17: 4 “Since thou hast closed their minds to understanding, therefore thou wilt not let them triumph.

2nd. Cor. 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.

Col.2: 8 “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ”

Friend, the ever-growing multiplicity of Protestant churches; each with its OWN freely interpreted and accepted set of faith beliefs gives evidence that the entirety of GOD”S truths is not in them. Grace is not being accepted.
Here is what your missing led by WHY you’re missing it

What is “TRUTH?”
noun
the quality or state of being true.
“he had to accept the truth of her accusation”
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candor, honesty;

That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality END QUOTE
What is the Moral significance and demands of TRUTH?
Father John A. Hardon S.J., one of the 20th Centuries most esteemed Theologians, explains it clearly and precisely:
Truth is [1] the condition for grace [2] it is the source of grace [3] it is the channel of grace [4] it is the Divinely Ordained requirement of grace.” End Quotes
Because you are yet able to see truth & acknowledge it; you feel empowered to invent your own.
Job.17: 4 “Since thou hast closed their minds to understanding, therefore thou wilt not let them triumph.

2nd. Cor. 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.

Col.2: 8 “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ”

Friend the Bible is a Catholic Book; the OT assembled, guided by the HS, Catholics; and the entire NT was authored By Catholics, and exclusively for Catholics who were the ONLY Christians when it was authored.
Because you are blocked from accepting these truths; you are further denied right understanding of GODS Catholic Bible.

SEE NEXT POST
 
Continued from above

Matt.16 Verses 15 to 19
[15] He said to THEM" But who do you say that I am?"

[16] Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

[17] And Jesus answered HIM "Blessed are YOU, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven

[18] And I tell YOU, you are Peter, and [YOU PETER] on this rock I will build MY CHURCH [SINGULAR], and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.

[19] I will give YOU [DIRECTLY, PRECISELY & EXCLUSIVELY; ALL OF THEM IMPLIED] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

John.17 Verses 17 to 20
[18] As thou didst send me into the world, so I have SENT THEM [DIRECT, PRECISE & EXCLUSIVE] into the world.
[19] And THEIR SAKE sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth[SINGULAR[.

[20] "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,

When did God explicitly say it was a mortal sin?

In the Second Commandment: “Keep Holy the Sabbath Day” as taught by His Catholic Magesterium

Friend NO other church or faith can make the supportble claim to HAVE Jesus Christ Personally
** as their warranty of ONLY teaching His Truths on ALL Faith and Morals** through His Catholic Magisterium

Does the Church even teach that there is no exception to it being a mortal sin?

Yes it does: for serious matters of health; child care; inclement weather. THESE exceptions are authorized through the God Approved Power of the KEYS

[17] Sanctify THEM [DIRECT. PRECISE & EXCLUSIVE] in the truth; thy word is truth.

[19] I will give YOU [DIRECTLY, PRECISELY & EXCLUSIVELY; ALL OF THEM IMPLIED] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

AMEN;

I pray the God will be permitted to guide your path and that you do have a Faith and Grace filled Christmas.
Patrick
 
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You are pointing out books on apologetics and catechesis. Both have a place, but, first there has to be evangelization.

Frank Sheed’s “To Know Christ Jesus”, Trent Horn’s brand new book “Why We’re Catholic” are starters, we have to be disciples and mentors. Once there is a conversion experience, then the catechesis and apologetics follow.
 
PJM said:
Have you not read God’s 10 Commandments? The second of which IS “Keep Holy the Sabbath day”
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That’s not what I asked. I asked where does it explicitly say it is a mortal sin. Nothing you posted even has the words “mortal” or “sin” in it. The rest is typical holier-than-thou doublespeak. Why can’t you just say what you mean instead of parroting documents? I’m asking for YOUR logic, not to have stuff quoted to me. I certainly am not going to be convinced by anyone who isn’t showing me he can think for himself.
 
2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

Not going to Mass is a mortal sin, unless one has a dispensation or serious reason.
 
These men, like many, will not have grown up with that message enforced as many families only go monthly and there is reluctance to correct them. Also let’s be honest many stop believing before they are 10 and probably won’t be moved by biblical arguments.
 
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