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Ignatius
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Yes, this is exactly the false teaching the the original post pointed to.
The Very Early Eucharist---Jesus not present in the Bread and Wine?
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Ignatius
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Yaqubos, don’t you know that God use His Church, the Catholic Church for this purpose?
The same Holy Spirit through the same Church. Yaqubos, don’t you know that that is why Jesus founded His Church.
Peace be upon you.
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RobbyS
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exrc said:
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YAQUBOS
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Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:
In Love,
Yaqubos†
Psalm45:9:
It’s clear again that you didn’t understand what this “list” is…
In Love,
Yaqubos†
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YAQUBOS
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Peace be with you!
RedDeathsMask:
In Love,
Yaqubos†
The Lord was praying for His DISCIPLES.
In Love,
Yaqubos†
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Church_Militant
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That site is a joke…That so called preacher has about ZERO actual knowlege of what the Catholic Church actually teaches… I looked at some supposed letter from some dude who talked about a "revolving door " of guilt that made confession a problem. It was stupid because any Catholic that actually KNOWS the truth knows that all venial sins are simply dealt with with an Act of Contrition and by taking the Eucharist. That’s the reason for the penitential rite at the beginning of every Mass! Confession is primarily for mortal sin…just how much of that do we do on a daily basis?
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YAQUBOS
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Peace be with you!
Church Militant:
But this is not what we have to know. To find the right Way, we don’t have to find a system very consistent with ITSELF. We have to find JESUS CHRIST.
We don’t have to be deceived by figures of Life, but we have to REALLY HAVE LIFE.
In Love,
Yaqubos†
Church Militant:
I have heard many Muslims say the same thing… They say we are not understanding their laws and their ways of thinking and what the Qur’an teaches…
But this is not what we have to know. To find the right Way, we don’t have to find a system very consistent with ITSELF. We have to find JESUS CHRIST.
We don’t have to be deceived by figures of Life, but we have to REALLY HAVE LIFE.
In Love,
Yaqubos†
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Well YOU sure do help to clarify things…
Thanks a lot…
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Church_Militant
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Yaqubos…with all due respect,
You know so little of what you speak as to qualify as nothing more than a bigot. You TELL us all the time that WE don’t know what you believe, yet you clarify nothing and sit around making snide remarks about Catholism. Comparing us to Moslems is just lame…all that says is that they know what they believe and that you try to convert them without having the common sense and common courtesy to actually read or study what we really do teach. Tell me…aside from the posts on this site or others, just what REAL Catholic writings have you read? The Catechism? ANYthing by Scott Hahn, Karl Keating, John Cardinal Newman, Pope John Paul II, Ignatius of Antioch, Augustine of Hippo or any of the REAL Catholics? please tell me?
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YAQUBOS
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Peace be with you!
Church Militant:
Won’t you first tell me what is your definition of “Word of God”?
In Love,
Yaqubos†
Church Militant:
How can two deaf talk to each other?
Won’t you first tell me what is your definition of “Word of God”?
In Love,
Yaqubos†
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YAQUBOS
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Peace be with you!
Church Militant:
Lord, open their minds. Amen.
In Love,
Yaqubos†
Church Militant:
I know Roman philosophy more than what you think.
Lord, open their minds. Amen.
In Love,
Yaqubos†
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Psalm45_9
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Merry Christmas!
YAQUBOS:
"It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.
This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.
The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.
The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse). " (CCC Part 1, Section 1, Article 3)
Well there is no “list” in the Bible, but the Holy Spirit provided one:
"It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.
This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.
The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.
The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse). " (CCC Part 1, Section 1, Article 3)
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Psalm45_9
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Merry Christmas!
YAQUBOS:
God’s revelation to humanity. Which is the written word (the Bible) AND the oral word (Apostolic Tradition).
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Psalm45_9
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Merry Christmas!
YAQUBOS:
YAQUBOS:
YAQUBOS:
I would have to say you don’t understand our doctrines and dogmas.
AMEN! And Catholics believe that Jesus IS their personal Lord and Savior, and that they have no Savior but him.
AMEN!!!
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Psalm45_9
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Merry Christmas!
YAQUBOS:
YAQUBOS:
YAQBUOS:
Lord, open their minds. Amen.Ditto!
I see that you don’t understand our dogmas and doctrines that come directly from the Holy Spirit, which guides us to all truth.
Remember???
YAQBUOS:
Lord, open their minds. Amen.Ditto!
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RedDeathsMask
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A Christian is a disciple of Christ. Catholics and Non-Catholics are Christians, and there are divisions.
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Ignatius
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On the contrary, you know virtually nothing of the Catholic Church. You are as the blind man who thinks he knows what it is to see. don’t mean to be unkind, but I am embarassed for you and your ignorant statements. Please, do a little homework; I mean real genuine study. Start with the earliest writers after the Apostles, proceed through the writers of the first 1000 years or so.
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J.W.B
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YAQUBOS, do you know anything at all about the Church Fathers? I’ll admit as any informed Catholic would, there was a broad consensus among the Fathers, BUT there is MUCH MORE than enough difference to require an authoritative decree by the Church to put the matter to rest. Not to mention the Church was in it’s early stages of DEVELOPMENT; yet the MAGORITY of the Fathers believed exactly what Catholics believe today: THE REAL PRESENCE, Mary being the Mother of God, Baptismal Regeneration, infused justification, confession, commuion of Saints, purgatory, APOSTOLIC TRADITION (and not each mans own veiw points) etc.
I used to be a Protestant, anti-Catholic, to non-denominational, to strictly Calvinist. I despied Catholicism and made the same arguments you did. But with a humble and honest heart for the truth I began to study it, seriously. Well PRAISE THE LORD because I am now a Catholic
Protestants deny papal infalbillity yet make themselves into super popes! Why have an infalliable Bible if there is no infalliable interpreter? God protects his Church. Yet Protestants enjoy their “freedom” too much to accept this. That is why there are NUMEROUS Protestant denominations with each claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit and each coming to different conclusions. God is NOT the author of confusion. Christ promised the Spirit would lead His people into ALL truth. And there is to be ONE FAITH, period. Protestants claim they only differ on “secondary doctrines,” really, like: TULIP, BAPTISM, THE EUCHARIST, CHURCH GOVERNMENT, REGENERATION, WOMEN CLERGY, DIVORCE, ABORTION (I have even heard someone quote from the Old Testament trying to JUSTIFY abortion), Alcohol, FEMINISM, SABBATARIANISM, THE PLACE OF TRADITION, FREE WILL, THE END TIMES, etc, etc, ETC!!
Please, be humble in your belifs at least.
God give you peace my friend
I used to be a Protestant, anti-Catholic, to non-denominational, to strictly Calvinist. I despied Catholicism and made the same arguments you did. But with a humble and honest heart for the truth I began to study it, seriously. Well PRAISE THE LORD because I am now a Catholic
Protestants deny papal infalbillity yet make themselves into super popes! Why have an infalliable Bible if there is no infalliable interpreter? God protects his Church. Yet Protestants enjoy their “freedom” too much to accept this. That is why there are NUMEROUS Protestant denominations with each claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit and each coming to different conclusions. God is NOT the author of confusion. Christ promised the Spirit would lead His people into ALL truth. And there is to be ONE FAITH, period. Protestants claim they only differ on “secondary doctrines,” really, like: TULIP, BAPTISM, THE EUCHARIST, CHURCH GOVERNMENT, REGENERATION, WOMEN CLERGY, DIVORCE, ABORTION (I have even heard someone quote from the Old Testament trying to JUSTIFY abortion), Alcohol, FEMINISM, SABBATARIANISM, THE PLACE OF TRADITION, FREE WILL, THE END TIMES, etc, etc, ETC!!
Please, be humble in your belifs at least.
God give you peace my friend
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Church_Militant
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Nice…Now tell the truth…Just what have you read that was written by any legitimate Catholic author? Don’t be shy…name some names and titles…
I wager that you can’t because you haven’t and you refuse to have the courage of your “convictions” and read our stuff because you’re afraid we MIGHT have a valid case at some point.
BTW…"Roman philosophy’? Rubbish! What you’re (NOT) saying is that you haven’t read one blessed word written by any of us Catholics…only stuff written by anti-Catholics about what they’ve TOLD you about us. Sadly…they are as ignorant of our real teachings as you are so it’s just the blind leading the blind. I also accuse you of not being honest, since you tell us that you know what we believe yet have NO first hand knowlege of Catholicism. I personally, would be embarrased and ashamed to go into a forum and make the kind of attacks that you do without being 100% certain of what I was talkin’ about. I think you should be too my friend.
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J.W.B
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Has anyone ever visited this forum?
greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Catholic
It’s a great and friendly forum and there are some experts there on Catholic theology. So if you still wish to debate YAQUBOS, you should go there and ask a question. They could probaly help you (or you help them as you believe).
God give you peace
greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Catholic
It’s a great and friendly forum and there are some experts there on Catholic theology. So if you still wish to debate YAQUBOS, you should go there and ask a question. They could probaly help you (or you help them as you believe).
God give you peace
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