Their parents must be so proud?: Controversy about Kentucky pro-life marchers DC

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Josh Marhsall has a good take on what happened with a lengthy video of ow it all unfolded.

Talking Points Memo

Making Sense of the Phillips-Sandman Viral Video​

Over the last couple days I’ve been watching the unfolding reaction and re-reactions to the video of the confrontation between…

I think that the chaperones were wrong to allow their large group of boys to engage the small group of "Black Israelite”. There was nothing to be gained and a risk of escalation.

I think that Nathan Phillips sought to stand between the groups and diffuse the situation with drum/chant.
I am very sad that the boys did not defer to an elder, and that many mocked him. I can only assume that they have limited awareness of Native American culture.

A little more on Nathan Phillips:

Omaha.com

Who is Nathan Phillips? Years ago, Omaha Tribe member said spiritual journey was…​

The following article, written by Matt Kelley, originally ran in the Omaha World-Herald on Nov. 26, 2000.

But surely, you can’t possibly support this ugly effort by the MSM to smear the pro lifers and put kids reputation and safety in danger.
I mean, really now.

 

[dvdjs]

you can’t possibly support this ugly effort by the MSM to smear the pro lifers and put kids reputation and safety in danger.

I haven’t been following the MSM on this. Are the boys in danger?

The young men did not cover themselves in glory, and the chaperones let them down. I am hopeful that they will learn from this. I am not sure why this would have a lasting effect on their reputations. It’s not so serious as a case of assault.

 

[Trying2overcome]

I don’t see how the school chants were bad. First they were done to pass the time, then they were done to drown out the negativity from the black isrealites. They chanted to get their spirits up. If Nathan wanted to intervene, he should have stood between the blacks isrealites and the students. Not enter the student body. I know, however, that he claimed to have wanted to ascend the Lincoln Memorial stairs (why not move around the boy?). And at the first the drumming didn’t seem aggressive (which is why the boys seemed to enjoy it), but Nathan eventually holds the drum up the Nick’s face and starts beating it there. I personally would take that as somewhat aggressive. And you say “deferred.” What does that mean? Should the boys have divided like the red sea? Nathan made no indication he wanted to advance. Remember, these are teens. If an old man walked up to me as a teen, chanting and beating a drum, while I was hanging out with friends, I would probably also just stand there staring at him. I would be confused, maybe a little amused. Another question: Why didn’t Nathan intervene when his buddy started harassing the boys because they were white? But then again, maybe his chant couldn’t be interrupted. This whole situation is just warped. Hopefully a resolution comes soon

 

[Trying2overcome]

The media is smearing the boys as racists who surrounded a group of natives doing a ritual. They were accused if insulting, harassing, chanting “build the wall!”, etc. On social media, many prominent people called for these boys names and families’ names to be made public. They wanted the boys’ futures ruined. They wanted physical harm done to these boys, including:

• Getting struck in the genitals
• Getting punched in the face
• Getting shot
• Getting thrown in a wood chipper
• Having their school bombed, shot up, burnt while the students were in it.

A truly bad situation!

 

[dvdjs]

I don’t see how the school chants were bad. First they were done to pass the time, then they were done to drown out the negativity from the black isrealites. T

They were done to respond to what just should have been ignored.

If Nathan wanted to intervene, he should have stood between the blacks isrealites and the students.

He did.

And you say “deferred.” What does that mean?

That means be recognize that Mr. Phillips is an adult, and you are not. And that means to be quiet and to back off.

 

[Trying2overcome]

Nick was quiet. He said not a word.

 

[dvdjs]

The media is smearing the boys as racists who surrounded a group of natives doing a ritual. They were accused if insulting, harassing, chanting “build the wall!”, etc.

So? Perspectives may vary, but that is not an unfounded one

On social media, many prominent people called for these boys names and families’ names to be made public.

Bad actors on social media? Why is this surprising?
I anticipate that the social media will police their clientele according to their rules.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I haven’t been following the MSM on this. Are the boys in danger?

I know for certain at least one employee for The Vulture tweeted he hoped the boys and their parents would die.
I’ve heard there were other death threats.
Okay. I get some people really support abortion, but for real? Wishing kids would die?
Oh, wait…

 

[dvdjs]

Nick was quiet. He said not a word.

He did not defer. And those around him did not keep quiet.

 

[Trying2overcome]

Here is relevant a section of Nick’s public statement:

Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group. The chants are commonly used at sporting events. They are all positive in nature and sound like what you would hear at any high school. Our chaperone gave us permission to use our school chants. We would not have done that without obtaining permission from the adults in charge of our group.
At no time did I hear any student chant anything other than the school spirit chants. I did not witness or hear any students chant “build that wall” or anything hateful or racist at any time. Assertions to the contrary are simply false. Our chants were loud because we wanted to drown out the hateful comments that were being shouted at us by the protestors.
After a few minutes of chanting, the Native American protestors, who I hadn’t previously noticed, approached our group. The Native American protestors had drums and were accompanied by at least one person with a camera.
The protestor everyone has seen in the video began playing his drum as he waded into the crowd, which parted for him. I did not see anyone try to block his path. He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face.
I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. We had already been yelled at by another group of protestors, and when the second group approached I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers.I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand.

 

[Trying2overcome]

Some of the boys’ chanting is a fault of theirs, but they probably were just joining Nathan in his chant. You know, in a friendly way. Remember, they are teenage kids who were in a jovial and somewhat tense atmosphere. And how were they supposed to know that was a “sacred” chant? It’s not like it is common knowledge.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

What the heck are you talking about? The dude singled the kid out and beat a drum in his face. What does “defer” mean?

Let’s reciew this again. “Guys, this situation is dangerous. I am going to deescalate it. Let’s go over there, I will beat a drum and chant directly in a kids face and the rest of you hurl racial insults at them and tell them to get off our stolen land. Got it? Let’s go!”

Nathan Phillips wasn’t trying to defuse the situation, he was trying to incite something. In his own words, he says the kids were harassing the black men and describes them as “beasts”. Then he says the kid he singled out was not an innocent kid but 500yrs of white oppression. In what fantasy land is he being an adult here?

Let’s not forget that it was Nathan Phillips’ buddies who posted an edited video of him beating a drum in a kids face. Let’s not forget that it was Nathan Phillips who ran to the media, claimed he was surrounded and harassed by white kids hurling racist insults. What a great effort at diffusing a situation there. No, his “poor innocent little me” routine is gospel truth.

 

[Guinness]

I guess, after the Kavanaugh hearings, I really shouldn’t be surprised at the willingness of some Catholics to throw their co-religionists to mob over perceived political disagreements, but I still am.

 

[dvdjs]

Some of the boys’ chanting is a fault of theirs, but they probably were just joining Nathan in his chant. You know, in a friendly way. Remember, they are teenage kids who were in a jovial and somewhat tense atmosphere. And how were they supposed to know that was a “sacred” chant? It’s not like it is common knowledge.

Especially among kids - I realize that. It is only in the last couple of decades that I have had significant interactiosn with Native Americans, and from that experience, learned about their traditions. But that deficit of knowledge is exactly what should have informed a proper sense of behavior among this highschoolers. As children, there is a lot that we don’t know. When engaged by an elder, respectfully back off and listen, don;t speak.

 

[dvdjs]

What the heck are you talking about?

I am talking about the atrocious manners of these children, and the failure of their chaperones.

If you watch the full two hours, you might have a better perspective of the events of the day.
And while you see drumming and chanting as aggressive, in my experience, I see it as prayerful. Did you read the Omaha World-Herald piece?

 

[dvdjs]

some Catholics to throw their co-religionists to mob over perceived political disagreements

I don’t see much in the way of politics here, do you? My co-religionists might best be described as they who hear the word of God and keep it.

 

[Guinness]

My co-religionists might best be described as they who hear the word of God and keep it.

What religion is that throws children to the mob based on them being white and wearing a hat?

 

[dvdjs]

What religion is that throws children to the mob based on them wearing a hat?

Did you miss the allusion?

It is possible to criticize the behavior of these children and their chaperones, without throwing anyone to any mob. Everyone is responsible for their own shortcomings, and the shortcomings of some critics is not exculpatory in the least.

 

[dvdjs]

Nick’s public statement:

This is a good statement on which I based my earlier point that the school cheers were undertaken to engage and respond to the Back Israelites.

Overall, however, it reads as a sorry, self-justifying piece, spun by a PR firm. Imagine that.

Louisville PR firm played a key role in Covington Catholic controversy

Louisville public relations firm RunSwitch PR confirmed helping Covington Catholic student Nick Sandmann and his family after viral video's backlash

www.courier-journal.com

 

[Guinness]

It is possible to criticize the behavior of these children and their chaperones

Wearing a hat, smiling in the face of people accosting you, and attending a March for Life are actions worthy of criticism?