Thousands protest immigration proposal

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TarAshly:
Of course, though only if there was no chance of deportation, I have loaded cattle onto a trailer headed for the stock yards (the slaughter) I refuse to do it to human beings, its hard enough with cows.
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So then why have a temporary amnesty program? Why should they even become citizens for that matter? A logical fallacy for sure.
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TarAshly:
this entire post is rude, antagonistic and not to mention unnessecary, uncharitable and unkind. talk about weakening your arguments.
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No, it’s called finally calling someone out who keeps going on and on about the old immigration system vs the current, but doesn’t provide proof. After that that, valid links were provided.
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TarAshly:
how’s that? I’ve had several instructors who believe my logic to be quite, well, logical. I am a top writer in my school, so do please explain what you mean here. I dare guess its all in the eyes of the beholder.
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Eyes of the beholder? If you say you’ll help people comply with the law, but when they don’t you think they shouldn’t face the consequences, thats a logical fallacy.
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TarAshly:
or have thousands of dollars to grease the wheels eh? Money runs Mexico people dont be naive about that.
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Who doesn’t know money runs Mexico? What’s your point?
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TarAshly:
They sneak through Canada too. why not put a fence along their border and block them in?
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Because the Canadian government works with us to stop the terrorist, the Mexican government could care less.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Touchy touchy. Nothing better to do than be offended?
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No, I have plney of better things to do, but it ticks me off you decided to take pop shots at people I am friends with. I haven’t taken any cheap shots at you.
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LCMS_No_More:
Agreed. I’m not sure, though, what you would mean by “ignoring the 11 million ‘illegal aliens’” means. I don’t think anyone is proposing that.
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Yeah, all the people opposing the immigration bill come off as wanting to the government to ignore the fact there are 11 mil. illiegal immigrants here.
 
Progress for the 20,000 Irish:

rte.ie/news/2006/0329/immigration.html

I’m glad our government is not sitting idle. It is said by many Irish historians, that we have a very powerful tool, that was never used to its full extent - the influence of Irish Americans, Irish-American relations and the Irish government in America. In what way, when and why? Well, I’m neither a historian or a politician, go ask one of them, I can only give you assumptions.
 
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rlg94086:
Sure. If someone is caught illegally crossing the border, I would think jail time would be warranted.
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If the US govt. streamlines the process to immigrate and offers enough documents to meet the demand for labor, then they will significantly reduce the inflow of illegal entry. Like I said before, no sane person with a wife and kids would prefer to operate under the fear of arrest and deportation, face restriction like access to a driver’s license if they could simply apply for legal residency or work permits.

It’s interesting that some people are saying because there no govt. document that says immigrants must take 15 years to get residency that it is not the case. No body is going to put such a thing on paper. It’s much better to practice such a thing. I know it’s just anecdotal, but growing up in Miami is an education in immigration policy that beats any amount of reading immigration law. There are only a few ways to estabish residency. First, if you are related to someone who is a citizen, second if you have job offer and the company wants you (which means you are educated and usually well-off), third if you come from a favored group, like Cuban Americans, ans lastly, if you qualify for very small scale program occasional offered for people who have lived here for extended periods of time (that’s how my family qualified after 11 years).

Again, anecdotal, but as an immigrant you spend tons of time and money (if you have it) meeting with lawyers trying to figure out the best way to work WITHIN the law, but often there’s no way to work within in the law. I remember tons of meetings without our lawyers where he would tell us there is nothing he can do because there is no legal means for us to establish residency. We basically spend years stalling the courts while we waited for a small scale amesty program, which was offered to Haitian-American 6-7 years ago. One of my good friends from high school is moving to Canada after being here since he was a little boy (20 years) because there are no legal recourses for him to apply for residency. He has been unemployed for years and his mother takes care of him because she was granted a work permit (I don’t know the circumstances), but it’s not something you can extend to your children.

Again, ask yourself why jump the fence, if you can just apply?

Kendy
 
I’m curious. Are these people coming into the nation illegally doing so because they want to make money or because they want to become Americans?
 
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Geldain:
I’m curious. Are these people coming into the nation illegally doing so because they want to make money or because they want to become Americans?
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Well, it depends on the person, but generally both. Or certainly, once they are here they typical will become citizens if they can. But that’s no different than previous generations who came here for the economic opportunities.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
Well, it depends on the person, but generally both. Or certainly, once they are here they typical will become citizens if they can. But that’s no different than previous generations who came here for the economic opportunities.

Kendy
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What about the 11 million that have failed to do so?
 
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wabrams:
What about the 11 million that have failed to do so?
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Did my post before that? Notice I said, IF they can.

Please, tell us because you apparently know something that my whole life of working with the system and living an immigrant city has not taught me. What legal means do you suggest they use to apply for citizenship? Please, tell us because I really think these 11 millions people would love to know. What avenues should they be going through? To think our lawyers wasted 11 years of our family’s life when all we had to do was just apply!

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
Did my post before that? Notice I said, IF they can.
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Yes I did and you used “if” when talking about the proposed law. Geldain asked why are they even coming here (work or citizenship) and you said they typicallyapply for citizenship. My question is, if they typically apply for citizenship, why are there 11 mil. illegal aliens?
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Kendy:
Please, tell us because you apparently know something that my whole life of working with the system and living an immigrant city has not taught me. What legal means do you suggest they use to apply for citizenship? Please, tell us because I really think these 11 millions people would love to know. What avenues should they be going through? To think our lawyers wasted 11 years of our family’s life when all we had to do was just apply!

Kendy
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How about if you don’t have the money or inclination to follow the laws, then don’t come here.
 
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Kendy:
Well, it depends on the person, but generally both. Or certainly, once they are here they typical will become citizens if they can. But that’s no different than previous generations who came here for the economic opportunities.

Kendy
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Really? Then why are these protesters flying Mexican flags instead of the US flag? Doesn’t look like previous generations from where I sit.

Previous generations came here and became Americans. They learned English and followed US laws. From where I sit, these people want our nation to adjust to them, instead of becoming an American.
 
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Geldain:
Really? Then why are these protesters flying Mexican flags instead of the US flag? Doesn’t look like previous generations from where I sit.

Previous generations came here and became Americans. They learned English and followed US laws. From where I sit, these people want our nation to adjust to them, instead of becoming an American.
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Every generation faced prejudiced and myths about who they are and what their motives were. The Irish were treated badly and now, it’s the Mexicans’ turn.
Of course, people are going to retain some of the heritage. When I meet Italian-American families they are not the same as the families who came on the Mayflower.

In fact, it’s a myth that there some sort of universal American culture that Hispanics need to absor into. African-American culture (and many African-American families have Black flags) is not the same as New York city jewish culture, which is not the same as South Chicago Irish culture, which is certainly not the same as Southern culture. And the Southwest has always been different since it first belonged to Mexico.

Americans have always adjusted to immigrants; they bring part of their culture and it is added to the this big diverse toss salad. Hispanics are the largest minority group in this country, and so, no, America will not be the same. They will stamp their marks here… Just like the English stamped a big mark, and the Italians a smaller one…Just like Cuban-Americans have stamped a big mark in Florida. It’s not a uniform country, but it’s big and it works.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
In fact, it’s a myth that there some sort of universal American culture that Hispanics need to absor into.
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From where I sit, your assertion is a myth passed on by multiculturalists.

There is an American culture. Perhaps you’re familiar with the phrase “The melting pot of America”?

Respectfully, what works is Americans. If people outside our nation wish to become Americans and follow the rules as millions have done for decades, awesome! That’s what works.

From where I sit, the notion of multiculturalism is a tool created to maintain and/or create divisions instead of bringing people in America together as Americans.
 
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Geldain:
From where I sit, your assertion is a myth passed on by multiculturalists.

The is an American culture. Perhaps you’re familiar with the phrase “The melting pot of America”?

Respectfully, what works is Americans. If people outside our nation wish to become Americans and follow the rules as millions have done for decades, awesome! That’s what works.

From where I sit, the notion of multiculturalism is a tool created to maintain and/or create divisions instead of bringing people in America together as Americans.
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Tell that to the African-Americans who have been here for over 300 years. Try telling most African-Americans they don’t have a culture that is distinct.

Kendy
 
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Geldain:
From where I sit, your assertion is a myth passed on by multiculturalists.

There is an American culture. Perhaps you’re familiar with the phrase “The melting pot of America”?

Respectfully, what works is Americans. If people outside our nation wish to become Americans and follow the rules as millions have done for decades, awesome! That’s what works.

From where I sit, the notion of multiculturalism is a tool created to maintain and/or create divisions instead of bringing people in America together as Americans.
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If anything, it’s regional distinctions, not truly multicultural. Each region is a melting pot of different cultures. While some groups only do things specific to their culture, they mix others with their and vice versa.
 
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Kendy:
Tell that to the African-Americans who have been here for over 300 years.
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We have people here that are 300 years old? Amazing!!! Where are they?

My ex-brother in-law had a conversation about this multiculturalism nonsense once. I asked him, “Are you an african-american or are you an American black man.”

He looked me in the eye and said, “I was born in Philly, my parents were born in North Carolina. I’m an American and I am a black man. End of story.”
Try telling most African-Americans they don’t have a culture that is distinct.
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Kendy
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I don’t know any African-Americans, I must confess. I do know many Americans who are black. I’m even related by blood to some black Americans;) Also, I don’t need to tell Americans who are black anything, they’ve already told me.

I need to get this off my chest as well. From where I sit, multiculturalism is evil.
 
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Geldain:
From where I sit, your assertion is a myth passed on by multiculturalists.

There is an American culture. Perhaps you’re familiar with the phrase “The melting pot of America”?

Respectfully, what works is Americans. If people outside our nation wish to become Americans and follow the rules as millions have done for decades, awesome! That’s what works.

From where I sit, the notion of multiculturalism is a tool created to maintain and/or create divisions instead of bringing people in America together as Americans.
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Here’s the deal. The 11 million are not going anywhere. You can’t ship 11 million people without causing an international scandal and disrupting the economy. They will eventually become Americans, but they will also change what it means to be American.

I know its hard to imagine, but culture, particular America is not stagnant. And when it’s all forgotten, and there’s a new group of people coming, the people already living here will find something wrong with them too. Maybe, they will lazy, drunk, or catholic, or whatever. There will be “no X needs to apply” signs, like there there were “Irish need not apply” signs, or Chinese Exclusions Acts. And all the people who have become Amerucans will forget how hard it was to become American; They will tell themselves myths about how great their generations were and the good old days, etc. And so the cycle will continue.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
Here’s the deal. The 11 million are not going anywhere. You can’t ship 11 million people without causing an international scandal and disrupting the economy. They will eventually become Americans, but they will also change what it means to be American.

I know its hard to imagine, but culture, particular America is not stagnant. And when it’s all forgotten, and there’s a new group of people coming, the people already living here will find something wrong with them too. Maybe, they will lazy, drunk, or catholic, or whatever. There will be “no X needs to apply” signs, like there there were “Irish need not apply” signs, or Chinese Exclusions Acts. And all the people who have become Amerucans will forget how hard it was to become American; They will tell themselves myths about how great their generations were and the good old days, etc. And so the cycle will continue.

Kendy
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Yeah, they’ll sit back and tell their grandkids how they broke the law and the US government finally caved in and made them citizens, no consequences whatsoever. Great example to set.
 
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