Thousands protest immigration proposal

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Kendy:
Here’s article about the views of Atlanta Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory and Savannah Bishop J. Kevin Boland on immigration.

usccb.org/mrs/gaissuecall.shtml

Kendy
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* People have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
* People have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
* Sovereign nations have the right to control their own borders.
* Refugees and asylum seekers should be given protection.
* Human dignity and human rights of undocumented immigrants should be respected.
Makes sense to me. Notice how none of the rights, as written by the Bishops trump any others?
 
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* People have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
* People have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
* Sovereign nations have the right to control their own borders.
* Refugees and asylum seekers should be given protection.
* Human dignity and human rights of undocumented immigrants should be respected.

Makes sense to me. Notice how none of the rights, as written by the Bishops trump any others?
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These are the same Bishops who oppose the current immigration bill. In fact, the catholic conference of Bishop opposes it HR 4437. Not just Mahoney.
 
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Kendy:
These are the same Bishops who oppose the current immigration bill. In fact, the catholic conference of Bishop opposes it HR 4437. Not just Mahoney.
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Respectfully, there is no current immigration bill. There are several under consideration, actually. The bishops have come out against **one ** bill passed by the House of Representitives.
 
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wabrams:
Nothing better to say so you try to insult friends of mine?
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Touchy touchy. Nothing better to do than be offended?
On a side note, even if the number of years are starting to increase t get citizenship, then we need to work at changing that; but that doesn’t mean ignoring the 11 million illegal aliens we have here.
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Agreed. I’m not sure, though, what you would mean by “ignoring the 11 million ‘illegal aliens’” means. I don’t think anyone is proposing that.
 
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Kendy:
Just wanted to share this article by the Arizona Catholic Conference on immigration. Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted is another Bishop that does not support the current immigration bill. I think he supports the McCain version which offers amnesty.

diocesephoenix.org/acc/PDF/You%20Welcomed%20Me%20(2).pdf
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The Kennedy-McCain bill does NOT offer amnesty. Amnesty would be, come on down and we’ll give you your permanent resident status. The proposal doesn’t even come CLOSE to doing that.
 
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Geldain:
Respectfully, there is no current immigration bill. There are several under consideration, actually. The bishops have come out against **one ** bill passed by the House of Representitives.
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Yes, HR 4437

Kendy
 
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LCMS_No_More:
The Kennedy-McCain bill does NOT offer amnesty. Amnesty would be, come on down and we’ll give you your permanent resident status. The proposal doesn’t even come CLOSE to doing that.
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Well, according to the today’s paper the McCain bill would offer undocumented workers the opportunity to establish residence provided they pay some fines, I think. Perhaps, you know something I don’t know.

And maybe, I shouldn’t be using the word amnesty, but the McCain bill certainly sounds better than HR 4437.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
Well, according to the today’s paper the McCain bill would offer undocumented workers the opportunity to establish residence provided they pay some fines, I think. Perhaps, you know something I don’t know.

Kendy
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Actually, I apparnetly do.

First, it would require that the undocumented immigrant to register their presence, submit to security and background checks, a health inspection and pay a hefty fine (well, it’s hefty for a poor person).

Second, the undocumented immigrant would be given a special visa (tenatively being called a gold card after the color of the laser visa cards) that allows them to work and travel in the US for a period of six years. They must remain employed the whole time and if they lose their job, they have 45 days to secure new employement or leave the US.

Third, after the six year period, they may apply for permanent resident status (green card) provided they submit to another security and background check, another health inspection and pay another hefty fine on top of the already high fees, English proficiency or concurrent enrollment in English classes and successful completion of, or enrollment in, civics classes.

Finally If the immigrant obtains permanent resident status, they can apply for naturalization after the normal five year waiting period.

This is by no means amnesty. Once again, amnesty, would be, come on down and we’ll give you a green card after the security and background checks and a health inspection, no fines, no additional waiting.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Actually, I apparnetly do.

First, it would require that the undocumented immigrant to register their presence, submit to security and background checks, a health inspection and pay a hefty fine (well, it’s hefty for a poor person).

Second, the undocumented immigrant would be given a special visa (tenatively being called a gold card after the color of the laser visa cards) that allows them to work and travel in the US for a period of six years. They must remain employed the whole time and if they lose their job, they have 45 days to secure new employement or leave the US.

Third, after the six year period, they may apply for permanent resident status (green card) provided they submit to another security and background check, another health inspection and pay another hefty fine on top of the already high fees, English proficiency or concurrent enrollment in English classes and successful completion of, or enrollment in, civics classes.

Finally If the immigrant obtains permanent resident status, they can apply for naturalization after the normal five year waiting period.

This is by no means amnesty. Once again, amnesty, would be, come on down and we’ll give you a green card after the security and background checks and a health inspection, no fines, no additional waiting.
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Oh, I was actually aware of all of that, except I read they had 60 days to get job. But you’re right amnesty is the wrong word. Anyway, it’s still better than turn them into felons. We’re going to have to give something. I think the 45 days thing is a little harsh. I was unemployed for months once and I have a B.A. and speak perfect English. So, that’s something that would have to be seriously negotiated.

And the rest of it, that’s where charity is goin to have to come in. Certainly, parishes can provide English languages class and organizations can be started to provide financial assistances to help families pay their fines. As for background and health checks, you can’t get away with not having that after 9-11

I don’t think we’re going to get much better than the McCain-Kennedy bill.

Kendy
 
👍 Sounds perfect to me. All that needs to be added is better border enforcement.

I’m assuming the bill also prohibits illegal aliens who have committed a crime (or at least a violent crime).
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LCMS_No_More:
Actually, I apparnetly do.

First, it would require that the undocumented immigrant to register their presence, submit to security and background checks, a health inspection and pay a hefty fine (well, it’s hefty for a poor person).

Second, the undocumented immigrant would be given a special visa (tenatively being called a gold card after the color of the laser visa cards) that allows them to work and travel in the US for a period of six years. They must remain employed the whole time and if they lose their job, they have 45 days to secure new employement or leave the US.

Third, after the six year period, they may apply for permanent resident status (green card) provided they submit to another security and background check, another health inspection and pay another hefty fine on top of the already high fees, English proficiency or concurrent enrollment in English classes and successful completion of, or enrollment in, civics classes.

Finally If the immigrant obtains permanent resident status, they can apply for naturalization after the normal five year waiting period.

This is by no means amnesty. Once again, amnesty, would be, come on down and we’ll give you a green card after the security and background checks and a health inspection, no fines, no additional waiting.
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I agree, but I have no problem with making it a felony for anyone who comes in illegally after this is enacted.
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Kendy:
Oh, I was actually aware of all of that, except I read they had 60 days to get job. But you’re right amnesty is the wrong word. Anyway, it’s still better than turn them into felons. We’re going to have to give something. I think the 45 days thing is a little harsh. I was unemployed for months once and I have a B.A. and speak perfect English. So, that’s something that would have to be seriously negotiated.

And the rest of it, that’s where charity is goin to have to come in. Certainly, parishes can provide English languages class and organizations can be started to provide financial assistances to help families pay their fines. As for background and health checks, you can’t get away with not having that after 9-11

I don’t think we’re going to get much better than the McCain-Kennedy bill.

Kendy
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I posted this on the other thread eaelier. And I am putting it here for those weren’t not involved in that discussion. Sorry, if you are seeing this twice.

Kendy

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I just wanted to share this documented from 2003 from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, which I believe in a pastoral letter by the American and Mexican Bishops on this issue.

I also read that the bishops in Australia are also protesting some proposed immigration law over there. I can look it up if anyone is interested.

usccb.org/mrs/stranger.shtml

Kendy

Here’s portion:

I. Persons have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
34. All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic, political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people.15 When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

IV. Refugees and asylum seekers should be afforded protection.
37. Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully considered by a competent authority.

V. The human dignity and human rights of undocumented migrants should be respected.
38. Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.
  1. The Church recognizes the right of a sovereign state to control its borders in furtherance of the common good. It also recognizes the right of human persons to migrate so that they can realize their God-given rights. These teachings complement each other. While the sovereign state may impose reasonable limits on immigration, the common good is not served when the basic human rights of the individual are violated. In the current condition of the world, in which global poverty and persecution are rampant, the presumption is that persons must migrate in order to support and protect themselves and that nations who are able to receive them should do so whenever possible. It is through this lens that we assess the current migration reality between the United States and Mexico.**
 
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rlg94086:
I agree, but I have no problem with making it a felony for anyone who comes in illegally after this is enacted.
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Would you want jail time?

Kendy
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Actually, I apparnetly do.

First, it would require that the undocumented immigrant to register their presence, submit to security and background checks, a health inspection and pay a hefty fine (well, it’s hefty for a poor person).

Second, the undocumented immigrant would be given a special visa (tenatively being called a gold card after the color of the laser visa cards) that allows them to work and travel in the US for a period of six years. They must remain employed the whole time and if they lose their job, they have 45 days to secure new employement or leave the US.

Third, after the six year period, they may apply for permanent resident status (green card) provided they submit to another security and background check, another health inspection and pay another hefty fine on top of the already high fees, English proficiency or concurrent enrollment in English classes and successful completion of, or enrollment in, civics classes.

Finally If the immigrant obtains permanent resident status, they can apply for naturalization after the normal five year waiting period.

This is by no means amnesty. Once again, amnesty, would be, come on down and we’ll give you a green card after the security and background checks and a health inspection, no fines, no additional waiting.
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Hey, do you remember anything in the McCain bill about how many work permits would be issued annually? If they don’t issue enough to deal with the supply and demand for labor problem, then you’ll have the same problem. People coming here to find jobs without documentaion.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
Oh, I was actually aware of all of that, except I read they had 60 days to get job. But you’re right amnesty is the wrong word. Anyway, it’s still better than turn them into felons. We’re going to have to give something. I think the 45 days thing is a little harsh. I was unemployed for months once and I have a B.A. and speak perfect English. So, that’s something that would have to be seriously negotiated.

And the rest of it, that’s where charity is goin to have to come in. Certainly, parishes can provide English languages class and organizations can be started to provide financial assistances to help families pay their fines. As for background and health checks, you can’t get away with not having that after 9-11

I don’t think we’re going to get much better than the McCain-Kennedy bill.

Kendy
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I heartly agree. The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (the Kennedy McCain bill) is the best, most comprehensive reform on the subject I’ve seen.
 
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Kendy:
Hey, do you remember anything in the McCain bill about how many work permits would be issued annually? If they don’t issue enough to deal with the supply and demand for labor problem, then you’ll have the same problem. People coming here to find jobs without documentaion.

Kendy
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I don’t remember that part. It’s a separate section. There is a provision to increase from 260,000 or so green card slots to about 400,000 but I believe that the guest worker visas would be market based. The libertarian Cato Institute estimates about 300,000 people cross without documents.
 
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