Thousands protest immigration proposal

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Geldain:
Good.

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No no no. Bad to let more people into the country each year. Stop aborting US citizen. No need for increased immigration then.
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That is contradictory. First, it’s bad the the number of people that can be admitted is way to low, but it’s also bad to increase the number to a more reasonable level to meet the demand? Uh. Huh.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
That is contradictory. First, it’s bad the the number of people that can be admitted is way to low, but it’s also bad to increase the number to a more reasonable level to meet the demand? Uh. Huh.
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No, it’s good the problem isn’t because CIS employees are deliberately dragging their feet.

It’s bad to increase the number of immigrants right now, since we have 12 million illegals in the country now.

Better yet, stop aborting future taxpayers and workers in their mother’s womb.
 
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Geldain:
No, it’s good the problem isn’t because CIS employees are deliberately dragging their feet.

It’s bad to increase the number of immigrants right now, since we have 12 million illegals in the country now.

Better yet, stop aborting future taxpayers and workers in their mother’s womb.
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While I agree on the “aborting future taxpayers and workers” part, I don’t see what abortion has to do with immigration.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
While I agree on the “aborting future taxpayers and workers” part, I don’t see what abortion has to do with immigration.
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40 million abortions over the last 30 years.

What jobs would be here for the illegal immigrants if those people were walking around now?

That’s what it has to do with it;)
 
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LCMS_No_More:
While I agree on the “aborting future taxpayers and workers” part, I don’t see what abortion has to do with immigration.
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Birth rate increases, immigration rate decreases.
 
I say we should make our laws miror the Mexico Immigration laws:
The ley General de Publacion and its By-Laws that regulate your admission stay and departure from Mexico.
The Constitucion Politica de las Estados Unidas Mexicanos.
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Code: 
Article 1 
In the United States of Mexico every individual will enjoy the guarantees granted in this Constitution and these cannot be restricted or suspended, except in those cases and under the conditions established below. 
When you enter the country as a "tourist", **you are allowed to remain for a maximum of 180 days for the purposes of recreation**, health, artistic or sports activities. **You may not work in Mexico.**
If you arrive by air:
You must have your immigration form and present it to the immigration authorities upon arrival at the airport of your destination within Mexico.
If you arrive by road:
You must request your immigration form after having paid the tourist fees at a local bank. Your vehicle must leave the country when your tourist card expires. You cannot sell your car within Mexico nor use it for any other unauthorized purpose.
If you arrive by sea:
You must obtain your immigration permit after having paid the fees at the port of entrance.
** Once your authorized 180 days are up, you must leave the country.**
If you wish to re-enter the country:
You can do so with a new immigration form granted by the immigration authorities at the place of entry after having paid the corresponding fee.
You may extend your stay in Mexico as a:
Person of independent means: Defined as one who lives off of income generated outside of Mexico.
Financially dependent person:
Defined as one who is economically dependent on a spouse or blood relative.
In a position of trust:
Defined as a person who assumes a sole managerial role or some other position of absolute trust in established Mexican companies or institutions.
Student:
Defined as a person who begins, finishes or perfects his studies in Mexico. Once the student terminates his/her studies, he/she must leave the country.
Religious minister or associate:
Defined as an active minister of any religion or a person who performs social or philanthropic acts. In this case, you must register with the “Secretaria de Gobernación”.
Political exile:
Defined as a person who enters the country to protect his/her liberty or life, from political persecution in his/her country of origin. You must have permission from the “Secretaria de Gobernación” and you may not leave the country without permission from the Secretaria if your request is granted.
Business visitor or investor:
Defined as a person who enters the country for the purpose of seeking alternate investment prospects or for carrying these out. In this case, the foreigner must comply with the Foreign Investment Law requirements.
Transmigrant:
Defined as person who is in transit to another country and passes through Mexican territory. A Transmigrant has the right to remain in the country for a maximum of 30 days.
To obtain an extension of the aforementioned categories you must go to the immigration department, (Instituto National de Migración) taking with you your immigration form and valid passport, where upon fulfilling all additional requirements and having paid the corresponding fees, the extension of your immigration document can be authorized.
You may extend your stay on four occasions, each for maximum of 365 days. With the authorization to remain in Mexico temporarily, you may enter or leave the country without any restrictions, except in the case of a tourist.
With regard to all the above categories, if you wish to acquire some property, you may do so after fulfilling the necessary legal requirements.
You must never have two immigration documents simultaneously.
** All foreigners entering the country, except in a case of a tourist, must request their name be entered in the National Foreigner’s Registry.** …
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todossantos.cc/meximmig.html
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wabrams:
Thank you. I don’t see anything about it taking 20 years to become a citizen, though. It does look like alot of the illegal aliens could have filed for a temporary work visa since they only stay a few years, make their money, and go back to Mexico.
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You’re confusing admission for entry with citizenship, for one thing. A common mistake by people who don’t know very much about the immigration system. The steps toward citizenship are:
  1. Admission on an immigrant visa.
  2. Permenant Resident status for a minimum of five years
  3. Naturalization
The CIS works with the State Department’s which issues the annual Visa Bulletin to determine who can obtain a visa based on family relationship. The relatioships are prioritized. The fourth priority (sibling) has the following cutoff dates:

All Chargeability Areas Except Those Listed 11/08/94
CHINA-mainland born 11/08/94
INDIA 04/01/94
MEXICO 08/15/93
PHILIP-PINES 10/08/83

Okay, I was wrong. It can take up to 23 years to be issued a visa number. Sorry. I underestimated.

Corrected Visa Bulletin data as the link from the CIS website was out of date.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
You’re confusing admission for entry with citizenship, for one thing. A common mistake by people who don’t know very much about the immigration system. The steps toward citizenship are:
  1. Admission on an immigrant visa.
  2. Permenant Resident status for a minimum of five years
  3. Naturalization
The CIS works with the State Department’s which issues the annual Visa Bulletin to determine who can obtain a visa based on family relationship. The relatioships are prioritized. The fourth priority (sibling) has the following cutoff dates:

All Chargeability Areas Except Those Listed 01/08/93
CHINA-mainland born 01/08/93
INDIA 05/15/92
MEXICO 01/08/93
PHILIP-PINES 02/22/1982

Okay, I was wrong. It can take up to 24 years to be issued a visa number. Sorry. I underestimated.
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I’m not confusing anything, I’m well aware of the immigration laws and rarely does it take 20+ years to get your citizenship.
 
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wabrams:
I’m not confusing anything, I’m well aware of the immigration laws and rarely does it take 20+ years to get your citizenship.
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Well, not if you’re lucky enough to have been born here.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Well, not if you’re lucky enough to have been born here.
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Or spent 4 years studying criminal justice, focusing on law enforcement, and having friends that work for Immigration; never a dull conversation.
 
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wabrams:
Or spent 4 years studying criminal justice, focusing on law enforcement, and having friends that work for Immigration; never a dull conversation.
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What kind of “fun” nicknames do the immigration employees have for their “clients?” I’m sure they come up with some good ones. People in that kind of work generally do. :rolleyes:
 
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LCMS_No_More:
What kind of “fun” nicknames do the immigration employees have for their “clients?” I’m sure they come up with some good ones. People in that kind of work generally do. :rolleyes:
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Nothing better to say so you try to insult friends of mine?

On a side note, even if the number of years are starting to increase t get citizenship, then we need to work at changing that; but that doesn’t mean ignoring the 11 million illegal aliens we have here.
 
How would you know? Seriously.
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LCMS_No_More:
What kind of “fun” nicknames do the immigration employees have for their “clients?” I’m sure they come up with some good ones. People in that kind of work generally do. :rolleyes:
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Of course, though only if there was no chance of deportation, I have loaded cattle onto a trailer headed for the stock yards (the slaughter) I refuse to do it to human beings, its hard enough with cows.
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wabrams:
You mean this:

If it was, I wasn’t asking what you would do right now, but what would you do, if anything, to help them become citizens if the law allowed for that. The reason I asked in the first place was because you mentioned many posts before that that the illegal aliens probably wouldn’t register anyway if given the opportunity b/c they don’t trust the government. I’m just wondering if you would volunteer to explain the program and help them do the necessary paperwork to become citizens.
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this entire post is rude, antagonistic and not to mention unnessecary, uncharitable and unkind. talk about weakening your arguments.
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wabrams:
Since you know the history of immigration in this country, please provide links for us stating the process 100 yrs. ago and show us links that tell how it is done today.

Tend to think? That doesn’t sound like the self confidence of knowing the history of immigration you claim to know.
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TarAshly:
Of course, though only if there was no chance of deportation, I have loaded cattle onto a trailer headed for the stock yards (the slaughter) I refuse to do it to human beings, its hard enough with cows.
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Are you familiar with the phrase “logical fallacy”?

You just made a big one;)
 
it doesnt, its just another way to skirt the issue. another hot button word, like terrorism. 😉

abortion is obviously evil, no doubt, but it has zero to do with the topic. lets stick to the issue please.

Hey! that knife cuts both ways doesnt it!?
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LCMS_No_More:
While I agree on the “aborting future taxpayers and workers” part, I don’t see what abortion has to do with immigration.
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how’s that? I’ve had several instructors who believe my logic to be quite, well, logical. I am a top writer in my school, so do please explain what you mean here. I dare guess its all in the eyes of the beholder.
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Geldain:
Are you familiar with the phrase “logical fallacy”?

You just made a big one;)
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