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Kendy
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LCMS_No_More:
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Geldain
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You’re applauding increased paperwork and slow government agencies?
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You’re applauding increased paperwork and slow government agencies?
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aimee
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I think Kendy is applauding LCMS_No_Mores false assumption that it was somehow easier then…
you know…some are always on message.
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wabrams
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You can’t cage anything by having a fence on only one side; you’re a ranch hand, you should know that.
You don’t have to rip the proposed law apart and start from scratch. When drafting laws, you pick it apart, shore up some areas and remove others until the majority can agree.
But if these people are given the opportunity to become citizens, and most likely the fast track at that, and don’t comply what should the government do instead of deporting them?
I’ve heard one senator advocate immediate deportation and it seems is peers think that’s a nutty idea that shouldn’t even be entertained.
I was waiting for a Bush bashing statement.
Taking things to the extreme again I see. Guess what? It’s a heck of a lot easier to catch terrorists and drug runners in ports, airports, and border checkpoints when two governments work together (i.e. US & Canada). When they don’t work together and one side doesn’t care (i.e. US & Mexico respectively), then you have to take tougher measures.
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wabrams
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Jeffrey said:
Thank you!
I should also had the other half of her is Irish, so you know neither of those ethnic groups had it easy in the US.
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wabrams
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Tarashly,
Never answered this question I posed:
Never answered this question I posed:
This was regarding helping the 11 million illegal aliens register if the bill passed.
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Jeffrey
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Hmmm… a friend of mine recently immigrated to the US… legally… took her a year.
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gilliam
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TarAshly
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Yes I did. I said I would do everything in my power to help them.
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harinkj
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Then practice charity by giving them something in their own country so they don’t come here. By letting them stay here, you are practicing charity by taking my job, or by inflating the demand so I can’t buy a home because the demand has made the prices go up. It is pretty cheap to call it charity when you take my money to give to these people. If immigration, legal and illegal, ground to a halt wages of these so called undesirable jobs would go up to a decent level. The cost of housing in this country shot up in the 1960s when the floodgates of immigration, legal and illegal, were opened.
Our overpopulation has caused massive crime. Our own families can’t even afford to have a wife stay home or to have more than 1.5 children because of the increased population all due to immigration.
There are about two homeless people for every church in this country. Where is the Christian charity to house and feed them? Two homeless people for each church!! What a small effort yet these church goers do not make a dent in the problem.
:tsktsk:
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Isidore_AK
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Hmm…20 years eh? I guess my Philipino friend who just got his citizenship the LEGAL way is much older than the 30 years that he claims? (He’s been here for 8 years already…). He must really be in his 50’s…
Giving amnesty to the illegals from south & central america is unfair to all of those who go through the legal process to immigrate to the US from other countries. How about those from Asia? Or Africa? Eastern Europe? The illegals are bucking the system, and the fact that they are willing to break the law to get what they want shows that we shouldn’t let them stay. They broke the law (and its not an unjust law, so stop with the Nazi comparisons!) once makes me think that they’ll do it again. Mexico, and the other originating countries, need to work to improve their own economies & put their own people to work- Not export their problems to us!
This doesn’t even begin to address the gang problems that seem to have gotten worse due to illegal immigrants…
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Lucania
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While I do not claim to be in the know about the immigration process, 20 years seems to be an exaggerated amount of time to me. I’m not buying it. As a side note, as in comparing entering this Country legally today or in 1901, my guess is that it is a much more pleasant experience today.
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gilliam
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Read up on Americanization
Americanization AMERICANIZATION [Americanization] term used to describe the movement during the first quarter of the 20th cent. whereby the immigrant in the United States was induced to assimilate American speech, ideals, traditions, and ways of life. As a result of the great emigration from E and S Europe between 1880 and the outbreak of World War I (see immigration ), the Americanization movement grew to crusading proportions. Fear and suspicion of the newcomers and of their possible failure to become assimilated gave impetus to the movement. Joined by social workers interested in improving the slum conditions surrounding the immigrants, and by representatives of the business and industrial world, organizations were formed to propagandize and to agitate for municipal, state, and federal aid to indoctrinate the immigrants into American ways. The coming of World War I with the resultant heightening of U.S. nationalism strengthened the movement. The Federal Bureau of Education and the Federal Bureau of Naturalization joined in the crusade and aided the private Americanization groups. Large rallies, patriotic naturalization proceedings, and Fourth of July celebrations characterized the campaign. When the United States entered into the war, Americanization was made an official part of the war effort. Many states passed legislation providing for the education and Americanization of the foreign-born. The anti-Communist drive conducted by the Dept. of Justice in 1919-20 stimulated the movement and led to even greater legislative action on behalf of Americanization. Virtually every state that had a substantial foreign-born population had provided educational facilities for the immigrant by 1921. The passage of this legislation and the quota system of immigration caused the Americanization movement to subside; private groups eventually disbanded.
encyclopedia.com/html/a/amer-izatn.asp
Americanization AMERICANIZATION [Americanization] term used to describe the movement during the first quarter of the 20th cent. whereby the immigrant in the United States was induced to assimilate American speech, ideals, traditions, and ways of life. As a result of the great emigration from E and S Europe between 1880 and the outbreak of World War I (see immigration ), the Americanization movement grew to crusading proportions. Fear and suspicion of the newcomers and of their possible failure to become assimilated gave impetus to the movement. Joined by social workers interested in improving the slum conditions surrounding the immigrants, and by representatives of the business and industrial world, organizations were formed to propagandize and to agitate for municipal, state, and federal aid to indoctrinate the immigrants into American ways. The coming of World War I with the resultant heightening of U.S. nationalism strengthened the movement. The Federal Bureau of Education and the Federal Bureau of Naturalization joined in the crusade and aided the private Americanization groups. Large rallies, patriotic naturalization proceedings, and Fourth of July celebrations characterized the campaign. When the United States entered into the war, Americanization was made an official part of the war effort. Many states passed legislation providing for the education and Americanization of the foreign-born. The anti-Communist drive conducted by the Dept. of Justice in 1919-20 stimulated the movement and led to even greater legislative action on behalf of Americanization. Virtually every state that had a substantial foreign-born population had provided educational facilities for the immigrant by 1921. The passage of this legislation and the quota system of immigration caused the Americanization movement to subside; private groups eventually disbanded.
encyclopedia.com/html/a/amer-izatn.asp
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wabrams
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You mean this:
If it was, I wasn’t asking what you would do right now, but what would you do, if anything, to help them become citizens if the law allowed for that. The reason I asked in the first place was because you mentioned many posts before that that the illegal aliens probably wouldn’t register anyway if given the opportunity b/c they don’t trust the government. I’m just wondering if you would volunteer to explain the program and help them do the necessary paperwork to become citizens.
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LCMS_No_More
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False assumption, eh? Do you know the history of US immigration law and how its evolved over time? Today it’s infinitely tougher to gain residence than it was 100 years ago becuase of the layers upon layers of laws the congress have added.I think Kendy is applauding LCMS_No_Mores false assumption that it was somehow easier then…
you know…some are always on message.
Have you seen the Godfather? All that Corleone had to do was show up. They asked his name, gave him a health inspection and released him into the country after a quarantine period. While the book/movie were based on fiction, I tend to think that the presentation of Ellis Island is historically accurate.
Which is to say, a person simply can NOT show up at a border crossing, give their name, have a health inspection and be admitted. It doesn’t happen that way any more.
Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary, but I look at the CIS site and it looks darn near impossble to gain entry without a massive waiting period.
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Geldain
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Good!
Bad.
Good.
Bad.
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wabrams
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Since you know the history of immigration in this country, please provide links for us stating the process 100 yrs. ago and show us links that tell how it is done today.
Tend to think? That doesn’t sound like the self confidence of knowing the history of immigration you claim to know.
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LCMS_No_More
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Ah, but the excessivly long waiting periods aren’t because CIS employees don’t want to process people as quickly as possible. It’s because the CIS is severely underfunded and the numbers of people allowed to be admitted are WAY too low. If they were to beef up the CIS, then that would help, but the Congress also needs to amend the law to allow more people to come each year.LCMS_No_More:
Bad.
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Geldain
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Good.
Bad
No no no. Bad to let more people into the country each year. Stop aborting US citizen. No need for increased immigration then.
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LCMS_No_More
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The process about 100 years ago:
brownvboard.org/brwnqurt/04-1/04-1a.htm
The process today:
uscis.gov/graphics/services/visas.htm
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