Thousands protest immigration proposal

[rlg94086]

Philip P:

Particularly galling about the House bill is that it seeks to make those who offer any aid to undocumented workers criminally liable. The Gospels don’t ask what language you speak or what your legal status is, yet for giving food to the hungry and comfort to the weary you could be charged with a felony

I’m only partially bothered by this part of the bill. I don’t think someone feeding, clothing, etc. someone else should be guilty, but I do believe those involved in hiding them from the authorities, helping them cross the border, etc. should be charged with a felony. They are, after all, an accessory to a crime, are they not?

 

[estesbob]

Fitz:

Wasn’t that a famous British leader that said that? I believe it was.

I’ve heard it attributed to Churchill and could never verify it.

 

[Fitz]

estesbob:

I’ve heard it attributed to Churchill and could never verify it.

Yes, that is who I have heard it attributed to but can’t verify it.

 

[Jeffrey]

Thatson the MEXICAN govt… to raise thier standard of living. Not the US.

cainem:

is the us government working with the mexican authorities to pressure/help raise the standard of living in mexico? if not then for every one you send back 5 more are probably sneaking across the border, we are lucky in the us and the uk to enjoy prosperity and a good standard of living, if i was on the poverty line and had hungry kids i would happily break the border laws to improve their lot, lets face it most immigrants do the low paid jobs that we would not consider as a career

 

[Jeffrey]

:tsktsk:

Keep your hitler reference to yourself please. It has no place here.

Libero:

GOOD!!

If America want’s to be a brilliant western democracy where liberty is rife and people are ‘liberated’ and freed, then attacking foreign countries is not enough, actually helping the immigrants in need is required.

I am slightly concerned by the posts here, I mean referring to these people as “aliens” (I do think that is what Hitler called the Jews) Let us not forget that the majority of Americans were immigrants when the modern country was founded, how many people here can claim to be one of the pure bred WASP’s?..

 

[Fitz]

Keep your hitler reference to yourself please. It has no place here.
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My sentiments exactly. There should be a rule. :clapping:

 

[Jeffrey]

They came over illegally… they broke the law… so yes… they are all law-breakers.

I certainly did not encourage them to come over illegally… if they would like to do it legally… then by all means come on over.

Thekla:

Are they the only law-breakers? I mean, think about it. Why does the government make it so easy for documentation to be falsified? Why are there so few regulations or oversight for employers? These people were encouraged to come here and are being encouraged by our government and businesses even now.

I know kids whose parents brought them here illegally when they were babies. They are terrified at the prospect of being sent back to a country they have never set foot in and have no connection with or loyalty to.

You ask “WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE RULE OF LAW?” How about “WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SIMPLE HUMANITY?” Illegal immigrants have been encouraged to come here by the business community and our government. Now they are being scapegoated by politicians seeking to create strife. And the worst thing is that Americans fall for it.

Secure our borders but legalize the people here. We wanted them here. We invited them here. Let them stay.

 

[Libero]

Fitz:

Yes, that is who I have heard it attributed to but can’t verify it.

Something tells me it wasn’t him…

 

[Jeffrey]

We can punish them for breaking the law tho.

Libero:

No, until the system is made effective you have to allow acceptances where it is bad, you cannot punish other people because the system you have made is rubbish…

 

[Libero]

Jeffrey:

We can punish them for breaking the law tho.

What will that achieve, is filling more prisons a good idea? Is spending the tax payers money on police time to catch illegal immigrants a good idea? Is wasting police time (that is very much so needed elsewhere) rounding up illegal immigrants a good idea?

Or is all of this illegal immigrant prosecution just action for the sake of action, the same action that shall go unchallenged by the thinkers and the people in power?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Dimmers:

Alrighty, ya’ll proved your point. I’ll start thinking the same way you people do.

No human rights for anyone. Anyone who is not American has no right to freedom, no rights to anything. It is not my problem if people starve to death in the world. It is not my problem if people are oppressed by their government. It is not my problem if Juan, Peter, Olga, from Europe, Africa, Australia, South America, wants to come into this country so he can support his 2 kids who are barefoot and starving. If he wants to be an American let him pay his dues. Since being an American is an HONOR and not a privilege, since being an American you are joining this ELITE group, only those who can afford it shall be given membership. If you’re uneducated, poor, and oppressed, you need not apply.

Lets build walls, all over our borders. Lets build a bubble over our airspace. Shoot any foreign Jet liner off the sky. We wouldn’t want any possible illegal immigrants to come into our territory.

Let’s just blow up the rest of the world so that we don’t risk any illegal immigrants coming into our country, taking away our jobs, cluttering the welfare system and social security system.

I’m all for it.

A sarcastically made point that is WELL made.

The fact is, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE for people from Latin America to immigrate legally. That’s a FACT. The truth is, our current immigration laws were written in the 1940’s and 1950’s when racism was a fundamental part of how our government was run. That needs to change.

There are immigration proposals on the table that would comprehensibly deal with the problem. The extremists on the Right don’t want that. They want to “round 'em up.” Well, I’d like to know how they propose to do that withouth turning the United States into a police state that would rival the Soviet Union or ruining the economy.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Geldain:

Those who want to stay here legally should be allowed to begin the process. Those who don’t should be sent to their nation of origin, safely.

From where I sit, anyway.

Agreed. But that’s called amnesty by most anti-immigrant groups.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Jeffrey:

I certainly did not encourage them to come over illegally… if they would like to do it legally… then by all means come on over.

Well, the law makes it nearly impossible to do that if you’re not from Asia or Europe.

 

[Geldain]

Libero:

What will that achieve, is filling more prisons a good idea?

When you fill them with lawbreakers? Yes it is a good idea.

Is spending the tax payers money on police time to catch illegal immigrants a good idea?

Yes. Enforcing the law and catching those who break the law is a big part of policework.

Is wasting police time (that is very much so needed elsewhere) rounding up illegal immigrants a good idea?

Logical fallacy. When the police are catching/rounding up lawbreakers, they are not wasting their time. In fact, they are doing their job.

Or is all of this illegal immigrant prosecution just action for the sake of action, the same action that shall go unchallenged by the thinkers and the people in power?

It’s because they are ILLEGAL immigrants, period.

 

[rlg94086]

Again, check with the Home Office. Let them know that the UK should not spend any tax payers money on police to catch illegal immigrants. Stop wasting time and money. Certainly, that idea would go over like a lead balloon in the UK.

As an American, I would rather my money go to securing our borders and deporting those who have broken our laws.

Libero:

What will that achieve, is filling more prisons a good idea? Is spending the tax payers money on police time to catch illegal immigrants a good idea? Is wasting police time (that is very much so needed elsewhere) rounding up illegal immigrants a good idea?

Or is all of this illegal immigrant prosecution just action for the sake of action, the same action that shall go unchallenged by the thinkers and the people in power?

 

[rlg94086]

That is factually not true.

LCMS_No_More:

Well, the law makes it nearly impossible to do that if you’re not from Asia or Europe.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Philip P:

So they can die away from American eyes? What happened to the corporal works of mercy?

They don’t apply to non-Americans.

 

[rlg94086]

Correction: Anti-illegal immigrant groups.

If a Guest Worker program is instituted, I think that their should be a component allowing resident alien status after a period of time and with some measurable criteria (hoops to jump throught). However, if this is done, those who have been here illegally for years, should have to become a Guest Worker first, and the clock should start at zero for them.

LCMS_No_More:

Agreed. But that’s called amnesty by most anti-immigrant groups.

 

[Libero]

rlg94086:

Again, check with the Home Office. Let them know that the UK should not spend any tax payers money on police to catch illegal immigrants. Stop wasting time and money. Certainly, that idea would go over like a lead balloon in the UK.

As an American, I would rather my money go to securing our borders and deporting those who have broken our laws.

I would contact my MP - but I am in a conservative constituency - so you are right, my letter is more likely to be burnt than read.

As a Briton, I would rather my money go to creating a safe haven for those who are less well off - and want our help (of course this is to a sensible degree) also education, healthcare and alternative sources of energy (and the stablisation of our economy)

 

[rlg94086]

But, you are on a small island…I thought your stance was that there is not enough room for more immigrants. How do suppose the Home Office prevent illegal immigration? With harsh words? - “Illegal Immigration - JUST DON’T DO IT!”

btw…I have empathy for your political situation. I live in a very liberal part of California. Letters to my congresswoman (Anna Eshoo) or senators (Boxer, Feinstein) are probably crumpled up, burned, have acid poured on them , and then vacuumed.

Libero:

I would contact my MP - but I am in a conservative constituency - so you are right, my letter is more likely to be burnt than read.

As a Briton, I would rather my money go to creating a safe haven for those who are less well of - and want our help (of course this is to a sensible degree) also education, healthcare and alternative sources of energy (and the stablisation of our economy)