Timothy Gordon Fired

[phil19034]

The inner quote is from Pulp Fiction . The surrounding content, including “Let’s dispatch some mobs with force,” is Gordon’s language.

I think Tim was pretty dumb for not closely monitoring his Twitter content. Teachers have to be extra careful. However, I’m not shocked because Tim pretty much is a libertarian, and libertarians are pretty crazy in their view that people can say whatever they want.

I think he has given them plenty of excuses to fire him when he make insults on Twitter. However, I really don’t see the “Let’s dispatch some mobs with force” is a endorsement of mob violence.

I interpreted that to mean the police should get out there in force and round up the rioters, looters and those committing violence.

To me, that comment is similar to Trump’s “dominate the streets.”

They are just a figure of speech.

HOWEVER, while I totally agree with a Catholic school’s right to fire people who cause scandal, and I don’t condone Gordon’s twitter activities since he’s a teacher; I am a little concerned about his firing for three reasons:

1. I don’t like it when teachers are fired after STUDENTS sign a petion. Parents, ok. But students, no.
2. Who are the witnesses that he has been spreading hate in the classrooms? Liberal students who don’t accept Catholic teaching on sexual sins? Or have administrators caught him in the act?

• afterall, that student’s letter seemed to imply that same sex relationships should be accepted as a form of “tolerance.”

1. A year or two ago, I heard him talk about some of the heretical comments his students would tell him that they heard from other teachers in the school. From those comments, it seems like the school might be “tolerant” with heretical teachers & teachings, but not OK with anything that goes against “California values.”

Now, I’m not arguing that they didn’t have a right to fire him. But I wonder what they would do if a teacher was promoting same sex marriage or women priests in the classroom?

 

[Newhills]

Now, I’m not arguing that they didn’t have a right to fire him. But I wonder what they would do if a teacher was promoting same sex marriage or women priests in the classroom?

I wonder the same thing & is what I was attempting to raise earlier in the thread

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Are you wondering about that school in particular or Catholic schools in general?

 

[Thrstypirate]

I have. He’d already lost me at “married women working outside the home is a sin.”

The feminism video with his brother is the last video of his that I watched. He seemed more passionate about that statement than about fighting demons through prayer.

As a former public school teacher, who actually was fired illegally, I wouldn’t have lasted long tweeting things that Tim does.

 

[Thrstypirate]

School teachers have the social responsibility of being teachers both in and out of the classroom. You’re always on duty.

 

[Newhills]

Are you wondering about that school in particular or Catholic schools in general?

That school in particular as it seems obvious that Catholic schools in general keep teachers employed who support teachings that are not online with the Church

 

[PatienceAndHumility]

That would also be wrong and one would hope that the school would act in a similar manner. But it doesn’t change the fact that they acted justifiably in Tim’s case.

 

[fide]

“Classic”? Hello HsD. “Engage” is an interesting word - so many possible nuances of meaning it has.
“The enemy was engaged at sunrise…”
“He engaged a partner in his business …”
" They became engaged to be married on that date…"

We who want to live our part in Christ, as this world continues to advance in its path of total rejection of God and the People of God, as it advances in its ancient dream of a Utopia of God-free Humanism, DO need to keep apprised of what they are up to. But it is dangerous.

Please do not hear this as condescending - but please: Do not underestimate the power of the spirits of evil - they know very well the weak points and vulnerabilities of human beings, and they delight is seeing men fall. They know how to pour just a little poison into their recipes for tempting dishes that men love, a little poison in the pastimes that please us, to keep us cooled in zeal - lest we become dangerous to them.

Pulp Fiction “Classic”? It was well-crafted in the sense of “crafty”. The evil one is “crafty” and clever, but ignorant of goodness except in the counterfeits of it.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I just remembered his brother, David, was fired from his position at a school.

 

[phil19034]

Keep in mind that’s apparently because T Marshall endorsed the SSPX and T Gordon pushed back on that…

No. They had already been distanced for a while before that. Marshall attending mass at the SSPX ended their personal relationship. But professionally, Marshall had already distanced himself from T. Gordon for several months before that.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

“Classic”? Hello HsD. “Engage” is an interesting word - so many possible nuances of meaning it has.
“The enemy was engaged at sunrise…”
“He engaged a partner in his business …”
" They became engaged to be married on that date…"

Engage, in this sense, means to meet the world head-on, and to control its effect on you, not just passively let it wash over top of you and engage you. In other words, you master it, it does not master you. Being in the driver’s seat, so to speak.

We who want to live our part in Christ, as this world continues to advance in its path of total rejection of God and the People of God, as it advances in its ancient dream of a Utopia of God-free Humanism, DO need to keep apprised of what they are up to. But it is dangerous.

Please do not hear this as condescending - but please: Do not underestimate the power of the spirits of evil - they know very well the weak points and vulnerabilities of human beings, and they delight is seeing men fall. They know how to pour just a little poison into their recipes for tempting dishes that men love, a little poison in the pastimes that please us, to keep us cooled in zeal - lest we become dangerous to them.

Oh, believe me, I know evil for what it is, and I am very acutely aware of the little subliminal cues, the “dog whistles”, that can be inserted even into seemingly innocuous media. I studied marketing and advertising (didn’t major in it) in college and I know their tricks. Same-sex couples are fleetingly inserted into commercials, some blatant, some not. A few years back, a convenience store chain billed their beverage offerings as affording “freedom of choice”, which in this country means one thing and one thing only. When I saw the movie Joker last year, I said “finally — a film that does not have at least one sympathetic gay character!”. Hollywood does everything in her power to usher in the “new age” of total diversity, absolute tolerance for everything you can imagine, and if there is an unlikable, unsympathetic character, you can bet that it will be almost always… a white male.

Pulp Fiction “Classic”? It was well -crafted in the sense of “crafty”. The evil one is “crafty” and clever, but ignorant of goodness except in the counterfeits of it.

I didn’t say PF was “classic”. It may well be, but I didn’t make that assertion. I was referring to older, “back in the day” movies such as Casablanca, The Sound of Music, South Pacific, and so on.

 

[phil19034]

Newhills:

Have you read any of his books or listened to any of his shows? Or are you basing all of this on 1 statement without even reading the entirety of what he said?

I have. He’d already lost me at “married women working outside the home is a sin.”

The married MOTHER working outside the home issue is EXTREMELY nuanced.

He takes a hard line on it, but when pressed he has clarified a few things here and there over the years.

• I don’t think he’s ever said that the sin is automatically the woman’s. He’s often implied that the sin belongs to society (for the deeming it illegal to offer higher family wages to married men) or to the husband if he isn’t willing to work multiple jobs in order to allow his wife to stay home with the kids
• the only time I’ve seen him imply the woman is committing a sin is when she doesn’t have to work, but chooses to do so so the family can have luxuries. Or, if she purposely chooses her career over what’s best for the children.

The notion of both parents working outside the home really is sinful if you think about it. YES - in some cases families truly need two incomes to avoid poverty. But in far too many instances, they “need” two incomes in order to afford their dream house but could downsize to a safe neighborhood if they chose too.

But again, who is guilty of the sin (if there is one) is dependent on the reasons why. Is it greed motivated, legitimate, selfish, etc.?

 

[fide]

I didn’t say PF was “classic”. It may well be, but I didn’t make that assertion. I was referring to older, “back in the day” movies such as Casablanca, The Sound of Music, South Pacific , and so on.

Well, you did say that you “seconded” [which I put below in bold] right after the comment “It’s classic”:

RolandThompsonGunner:

I want to like this guy, but isn’t Pulp Fiction a disgusting movie? Why quote from it?

It’s not a movie for kids, certainly, but it’s not “disgusting.” It’s classic.

I second that. I commented in another thread here a few days ago on a certain stripe of person — Catholic possibly, but not necessarily — who regards the modern world as evil, and “freezes” their entire lifestyle, including entertainment, at some point prior…

But I’m glad you realize the traps and ambushes of “entertainment” in modern culture. The humanity of God’s creation is beautiful and noble - and traces of that beauty, that nobility, remain to keep us from despair in seeing the depths to which we have fallen – and the end has not yet been reached; may God have mercy. Meanwhile, the enemy works to sabotage us at every turn.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

I didn’t say PF was “classic”. It may well be, but I didn’t make that assertion. I was referring to older, “back in the day” movies such as Casablanca, The Sound of Music, South Pacific , and so on.

Well, you did say that you “seconded” [which I put below in bold] right after the comment “It’s classic”:

OK, I see now, I stand corrected. I think PF could fall under the rubric of “classic”, though I usually don’t think of it that way. I would not die on the hill of whether it’s “classic” or not.

 

[MNathaniel]

No. They had already been distanced for a while before that. Marshall attending mass at the SSPX ended their personal relationship. But professionally, Marshall had already distanced himself from T. Gordon for several months before that.

Oh, that’s interesting news to me. Do we know why? Or is any speculation on the topic purely that: speculation?

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

No. They had already been distanced for a while before that. Marshall attending mass at the SSPX ended their personal relationship. But professionally, Marshall had already distanced himself from T. Gordon for several months before that.

Oh, that’s interesting news to me. Do we know why? Or is any speculation on the topic purely that: speculation?

They really won’t go into it, or at least Taylor won’t. I believe everything out there is speculation.

 

[choose_to_love]

“I don’t see what this has to do with anything” Are you serious?

A Catholic school absolutely has the right and responsibility to see that those who teach its students do not publicly contradict the faith. Both the examples provided by Julian and grace are relevant.

 

[choose_to_love]

Or, respond to actual rioters (not peaceful protestors) with an appropriate level of law enforcement to disperse the rioters. I upvoted your post on the principle involved above, but I do not think the only conclusion from the tweet is that he is issuing a call for counter-mob violence.

 

[gracepoole]

https://stream.org/this-catholic-school-teacher-was-fired-for-criticizing-black-lives-matter/

 

[gracepoole]

Michael Voris’ “The Vortex” with an interview with Gordon: