Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

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So how do you think that non-acceptance should still be practiced? Should homosexual activity still be criminalized?
It needs to be studied without bias is what I said.

What I mean by acceptance is not talking about criminal penalties but also not about accepting alternative lifestyles into the mainstream without scrutiny first.
 
This is off-topic but isn’t there some famous book on a mental institution called “The snake pit” or something? Does anyone remember the title? Sorry to go off topic. If the “Yellow Wallpaper” is in the public domain, it sounds like something to read. Thanks in advance.
 
This is off-topic but isn’t there some famous book on a mental institution called “The snake pit” or something? Does anyone remember the title? Sorry to go off topic. If the “Yellow Wallpaper” is in the public domain, it sounds like something to read. Thanks in advance.
There is a 1948 film starring Olivia de Havilland called “The Snake Pit,” in which it shows the horrors (at that time) that occur in a mental institution. I don’t know whether the film is based on a novel, however.
 
Ugh. The parents tried to give him a therapist, who he rejected because they wouldn’t tell him what he wanted to hear. From the sounds of the article they were kind to him the entire time. He was 16, he could have left, instead, he decided to slam his parents. Prayers for his mother and father.
Deep breath… Ok. You have no idea what what SHE went through. Transgender people feel as though they are born in the wrong body. They go through life struggling with themselves. They often hate themselves, no matter how kind some people are. How do you think you can judge someone based on an article written about them. For that matter, what gives you the right to judge anyway? May he who is without sin cast the first stone. You did not know this girl, or the struggles she went through. People like you react negatively to transgender people, and only fosters the self-hate they already have. This should be a message for others to be more loving and accepting, not to beat trans people down.
“Be a little kinder than you have to.”-Mother Teresa
 
Deep breath… Ok. You have no idea what what SHE went through. Transgender people feel as though they are born in the wrong body. They go through life struggling with themselves. They often hate themselves, no matter how kind some people are. How do you think you can judge someone based on an article written about them. For that matter, what gives you the right to judge anyway? May he who is without sin cast the first stone. You did not know this girl, or the struggles she went through. People like you react negatively to transgender people, and only fosters the self-hate they already have. This should be a message for others to be more loving and accepting, not to beat trans people down.
“Be a little kinder than you have to.”-Mother Teresa
But judging someone based on comments on an internet forum and then categorizing them as “people like you” followed ironically with a quote from Mother Teresa that isn’t exactly being followed in your own comment is ok?
 
When I said “people like you” I was referring to people who clearly do not support the trans community; the Mother Teresa quote was not directed at anyone in particular. It was a reminder to all, including myself, to be kind to everyone, because often we underestimate other people’s struggles.
 
Hello,
Friendly warning: This is a Catholic website and we do not support the homosexual or transsexual lifestyles.
I’m always a little puzzled as to what people mean exactly when they talk about a “homosexual lifestyle”. For example, is it part of a “homosexual lifestyle” when a homosexual person goes to work five days per week, goes home (sometimes to a partner or spouse) every evening, makes dinner at home most evenings or goes out to eat from time-to-time, watches TV some evenings or reads a book lying on the couch other evenings, goes to church or Mass on Sundays, etc.? When a heterosexual person does all those things, is that a “heterosexual lifestyle”? :rolleyes:
 
I’m always a little puzzled as to what people mean exactly when they talk about a “homosexual lifestyle”. For example, is it part of a “homosexual lifestyle” when a homosexual person goes to work five days per week, goes home (sometimes to a partner or spouse) every evening, makes dinner at home most evenings or goes out to eat from time-to-time, watches TV some evenings or reads a book lying on the couch other evenings, goes to church or Mass on Sundays, etc.? When a heterosexual person does all those things, is that a “heterosexual lifestyle”? :rolleyes:
I believe they are referring to homosexual sexual activity, or at least that’s what I mean when I use the term. I think the confusion comes from people defining homosexuals solely by their sexual practices.
 
There is a 1948 film starring Olivia de Havilland called “The Snake Pit,” in which it shows the horrors (at that time) that occur in a mental institution. I don’t know whether the film is based on a novel, however.
Thank you.

I did find the book online to read: archive.org/ , so one may have to register online but it is for free.
 
I believe they are referring to homosexual sexual activity, or at least that’s what I mean when I use the term. I think the confusion comes from people defining homosexuals solely by their sexual practices.
If a gay man has sex a few times per week with his partner or spouse, that’s hardly a “lifestyle”. According to Wikipedia, “The term Lifestyle can denote the interests, opinions, behaviors, and behavioral orientations of an individual, group, or culture.” In many cases, the “lifestyle” of many homosexuals is hardly different from that of heterosexuals, except for their sexual orientation. For example, I have friends who are gay Republicans and except for what they do in bed and their opinions about the morality of homosexuality, they are quite conservative and are hardly distinguishable in most respects from other Republicans. 🙂
 
If a gay man has sex a few times per week with his partner or spouse, that’s hardly a “lifestyle”. According to Wikipedia, “The term Lifestyle can denote the interests, opinions, behaviors, and behavioral orientations of an individual, group, or culture.” In many cases, the “lifestyle” of many homosexuals is hardly different from that of heterosexuals, except for their sexual orientation. For example, I have friends who are gay Republicans and except for what they do in bed and their opinions about the morality of homosexuality, they are quite conservative and are hardly distinguishable in most respects from other Republicans. 🙂
There are also people with same-sex attraction who are not for same-sex marriages. Perhaps those are the kinds of things I am talking about in being accepted or not, same-sex marriages.
 
-If it is a comparison in the extreme, then you know that it isn’t actually effective in creating any sort of communication or in explaining why the other party’s position is incorrect
-I know exactly how social isolation impacts suicidal/depressed individuals. What has not been established is if it was a solitary confinement 24/7 type isolation or a remove the harmful/negative influencers isolation (which is what does actually need to take place in treating a suicidal/depressed individual).
-All we know about the Christian counselors is what the child reported, and once again speaking from personal experience, a suicidal/depressed person isn’t the most accurate source of information in regards to what people are telling them. At one point I was convinced one of my counselors was involved in a plot to discredit me in order to profit some sort of Army wide conspiracy against me. On hindsight, he (my counselor) meant well but was just horrible at his job.
+1.

oldcatholicguy, IMO it’s helpful how you consider the issue from several points of view.
 
If a gay man has sex a few times per week with his partner or spouse, that’s hardly a “lifestyle”. According to Wikipedia, “The term Lifestyle can denote the interests, opinions, behaviors, and behavioral orientations of an individual, group, or culture.” In many cases, the “lifestyle” of many homosexuals is hardly different from that of heterosexuals, except for their sexual orientation. For example, I have friends who are gay Republicans and except for what they do in bed and their opinions about the morality of homosexuality, they are quite conservative and are hardly distinguishable in most respects from other Republicans. 🙂
So a gay man having sex a few times per week with his partner or spouse isn’t a lifestyle because it isn’t, using your definition- a behavior or behavioral orientation? And this idea that it isn’t a lifestyle because it somehow doesn’t classify as a behavior or behavioral orientation is furthered by heterosexuals engaging in heterosexual sexual activities also not qualifying as a behavior or behavioral orientation? 🤷
 
I think the confusion comes from people defining homosexuals solely by their sexual practices.
Um…that is not a point of ‘confusion’ about the definition.
Nobody is inventing words here.
Homosexual / Lifestyle.
Everybody eats food. Eating is not a uniquely ‘homosexual’ lifestyle choice.
We are referring to that which distinguishes homosexual lifestyles from non-homosexuals
 
Um…that is not a point of ‘confusion’ about the definition.
Nobody is inventing words here.
Homosexual / Lifestyle.
Everybody eats food. Eating is not a uniquely ‘homosexual’ lifestyle choice.
We are referring to that which distinguishes homosexual lifestyles from non-homosexuals
I apparently selected my words poorly. What I was referring to was the idea that everything a homosexual person does somehow is part of the “gay lifestyle” based solely on the fact that said homosexual may engage in homosexual sex. I have seen other people classify something as part of the “gay lifestyle” solely because the individual doing it was homosexual.
 
17 is old enough to know better than that. But what really bothers me is not that these teen committed these acts, but that on this, a Catholic forum, the parents have been treated so badly, with such judgement and condemnation and so little lack of even trying to look at the situation from their point of view.

The teen certainly had a hard heart to commit suicide in that way, leaving that note. That was not, I feel so sad… I’m going to kill myself; that was literally F— you to the parents for not going along with the sex change process and a completel lack of compassion for anyone else, like the poor truck driver.
Let’s say that this youth was “only” suffering from depression. This is a legitimate sickness that greatly affects one’s behaviors, attitudes, and thoughts. If she had been suffering from a brain tumor, I doubt we’d be arguing about her suicide note – we’d likely chalk up her language and anger to her illness. Those suffering from serious depression usually lose all perspective. It’s not surprising to me that she was not behaving in a stable way or that she was filled with anger – depression often leads to such reactions. And 17-year-olds actually aren’t as able to manage depression. The human brain isn’t even fully developed until 25 years or so, and that goes for the decision-making portions of the brain, too. I think we have to consider that she was legitimately ill and her ultimate choices were heavily flavored by this fact.
 
For anyone interested, the National Library of Medicine offers a pdf copy of “The Yellow Wallpaper” online: nlm.nih.gov/literatureofprescription/exhibitionAssets/digitalDocs/The-Yellow-Wall-Paper.pdf

No one would seriously offer fiction as evidence for medical or psychological claims – that’s not what I was attempting to do in referencing this short story. But it is most interesting that the NLM is the source offering it online…
Thanks for the link!
 
I believe they are referring to homosexual sexual activity, or at least that’s what I mean when I use the term. I think the confusion comes from people defining homosexuals solely by their sexual practices.
People pushing the concept that homosexual relationships are no different with heterosexual relationships want you and me to stop using the phrase “homosexual lifestyle,” another way to normalize and have everyone accept it. Of course, when it is used by most people, it is not meant to refer to activities like going to the market or watching tv, or a preference for jazz over rock, etc. Homosexual lifestyle is being in a same sex relationship, or one who is looking for a same sex partner, believing in same sex legal unions / “marriage”, forming a family, as though gay parenting is equivalent to traditional parenting. IOW, this is conditioning, another thought control via language control. Just like how “gay” and “homophobia” came to be common usage, their current meanings not anywhere near the original denotation or connotation.

As I explained to someone who had the nerve to “educate” me via PM that it is an offensive phrase, it is objective phrasing like “the lifestyle of the rich and famous.” The rich and famous go out to dinner and watch movies for recreation like most everyone, sure, but that is hardly what is unique about their lifestyle!
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So how do you think that non-acceptance should still be practiced? Should homosexual activity still be criminalized?
It shouldn’t be accepted as good.
We don’t need to give shock therapy to say that. There is a middle ground between the two extremes. Look up The Third Way on vimeo
 
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