Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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Ion said:
You should watched it all, there was a reporter at a meeting with members from intelligence who said there were 2 wiretapping on Trump server, one through FISA and one independent
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Wouldn’t want to clutter the issue with facts now
 
Ion said:
You should watched it all, there was a reporter at a meeting with members from intelligence who said there were 2 wiretapping on Trump server, one through FISA and one independent
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The part you are referring to starts at 5:29. I watched that.

Some key points of the report:
  • Data-gathering on the “Trump Tower” server was an FBI investigation, not under the FISA. The server was not at Trump tower. No monitoring of e-mails or phone calls were involved. This action did not lead to any discovery of criminal activity.
  • The FISA was issued as part of the overall of Russian hacking. The report did not say that this involved data-gathering from a Trump server.
  • The surveillance that showed Flynn’s contact with the Russian ambassador was unrelated to either of these investigations.
There is an enorrnous gulf between these facts from the report, and what you wrote.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The kinds of people Trump has dealt with for years have very sharp elbows. Probably some have been every bit as clever and rough as Putin, some perhaps more.

I am not presently willing to concede that Putin is a sharper dealer than, say, the people who run Deutchebank, who Trump trounced when they tried to loot him. Putin is just able to kill people with impunity, while the people at Deutschebank can’t.
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You forget that not only can Putin kill people with impunity, he can kill people with impunity using such methods as radioactive uranium----like he did to that whistleblower KGB agent some years ago. Thus ensuring one dies a particularly nasty, drawn-out death. :eek:

There’s nothing in this world like a dictator/“super-villain” that likes to kill people using unusual methods right out of an Ian Fleming or John Le Carre novel. 😦

Trump will be wise to beware of who he is dealing with. Indeed.
 
dvdjs said:
:eek: Do you really have not idea of how much your single sentence is alt-reality?
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I hate to butt in here--------but I personally (no evidence, yes, but as student of human nature) would not put anything past Barry Soetoro. You disagree with that, fine. Same with Dubya, as a matter of fact, and even Trump. Which makes plain my distaste of both parties and sides.

Many still think of Barry as a humble community organizer who achieved the highest office in the land and was sort of a second Lincoln while he was in office.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 😊🤷
 
The fact that Trump lies to the American people. It was NOT a wiretap. This was first reported by UK MP Concervative Journalist Louise Mensch. Then alt-right wing Breibart picked it up. The only problem, Mensch said it was a FISA request

Louise Mensch Retweeted John Glueck

100%.
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However, I am equally confident that @RealDonaldTrump and @JeffSessions obstructed justice this weekend right on Twitter. #FISAgate**

Louise Mensch added,
twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/839633105069752320

Sh also added that Nigel Farage a disaster in the UK on the Brexit vote was recruited by Bannon. Farage has ties to Putin. Farage was seen going into the Ecuado Embassy to meet with Assange

Louise Mensch‏Verified account @LouiseMensch 2h2 hours ago
Louise Mensch Retweeted Adenoid Hynkel

In my view, Ecuador is violating diplomacy by using diplomatic premises for non-sanctioned spying. @theresa_may should in my view revoke

And UK does not have a Fifth Amendment. If asked under oath what he was doing with @JulianAssange, @Nigel_Farage would have to be honest

-facts matter
 
dvdjs said:
The part you are referring to starts at 5:29. I watched that.

Some key points of the report:
  • Data-gathering on the “Trump Tower” server was an FBI investigation, not under the FISA. The server was not at Trump tower. No monitoring of e-mails or phone calls were involved. This action did not lead to any discovery of criminal activity.
  • The FISA was issued as part of the overall of Russian hacking. The report did not say that this involved data-gathering from a Trump server.
  • The surveillance that showed Flynn’s contact with the Russian ambassador was unrelated to either of these investigations.
There is an enorrnous gulf between these facts from the report, and what you wrote.
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You have got very technical in details. So from declarations from intelligence that such thing never happened we get more details how this things never happened.
To see the emails or listen the conversations they did not need any wire, all they needed was to open some files…And they hacked Trump server for no reason and didnnot look in those files because…???

It is obamagate!!!
 
Ion said:
You have got very technical in details. So from declarations from intelligence that such thing never happened we get more details how this things never happened.
To see the emails or listen the conversations they did not need any wire, all they needed was to open some files…And they hacked Trump server for no reason and didnnot look in those files because…???

It is obamagate!!!
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LOL.
 
Ion said:
You have got very technical in details. So from declarations from intelligence that such thing never happened we get more details how this things never happened.
To see the emails or listen the conversations they did not need any wire, all they needed was to open some files…And they hacked Trump server for no reason and didnnot look in those files because…???
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This is the information from your source, which evidently you did not process.
As to whether or not your sources are correct, I don’t really care.
 
Ion said:
Were in the history of American politics such low as Clinton & Obama, who after wiretapping Trump and found no evidence of wrongdoing they kept lying about Trump, while those agencies said nothing to clear gen Flynn name for example?
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vox.com/world/2017/3/9/14868680/trump-adviser-michael-flynn-foreign-agent-turkey-lobby
Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who was fired in February after lying about his contacts with the Russian government, has formally registered with the Justice Department as a “foreign agent” and admitted that he had lobbied on behalf of the Turkish government as recently as November 2016.

As the Associated Press reports, Flynn’s lawyer filed paperwork with the Justice Department Tuesday disclosing that the retired Army general had done lobbying work between August and November 2016 that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” According to the filing, Flynn’s company, Flynn Intel Group Inc., was paid at least **$530,000 for the work.
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Flynn’s contract ended on November 15, just three days before Trump appointed him national security adviser.

Louise Mensch‏Verified account @LouiseMensch
Final: as soon as @PressSec admitted @realDonaldTrump got his info from @TheJusticeDept, he admitted crime for which Nixon impeached
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I hate to butt in here--------but I personally (no evidence, yes, but as student of human nature) would not put anything past Barry Soetoro. You disagree with that, fine. Same with Dubya, as a matter of fact, and even Trump. Which makes plain my distaste of both parties and sides.
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You are entitled to harbor fantasies (no evidence). Beyond that, your point is unclear.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I hate to butt in here--------but I personally (no evidence, yes, but as student of human nature) would not put anything past Barry Soetoro. You disagree with that, fine. Same with Dubya, as a matter of fact, and even Trump. Which makes plain my distaste of both parties and sides.

Many still think of Barry as a humble community organizer who achieved the highest office in the land and was sort of a second Lincoln while he was in office.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 😊🤷
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Who the Heck is Barry Soetoro?
 
stevegravy said:
Husain Obama.
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I assume you mean President Obama? So this is the way we respect our leaders. We make up silly and or insulting names.

We all need to learn to be polite when talking about those currently in positions of authority or who were in positions of authority. If you don’t like them, be polite in public and pray for them in private.
 
sallybutler said:
I assume you mean President Obama? So this is the way we respect our leaders. We make up silly and or insulting names.

We all need to learn to be polite when talking about those currently in positions of authority or who were in positions of authority. If you don’t like them, be polite in public and pray for them in private.
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Hussein is his given name inherited from his father’s. I guess they were proud of the name.
 
I’m wondering if maybe some fat guy got tired of hacking the DNC. Maybe the fat guy got bored and thought listening in on Trump would be more fun. 😉
 
sallybutler said:
I assume you mean President Obama? So this is the way we respect our leaders. We make up silly and or insulting names.

We all need to learn to be polite when talking about those currently in positions of authority or who were in positions of authority. If you don’t like them, be polite in public and pray for them in private.
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Are you upset by Barack Hussein Obama. It is his name and you can see why his so-called Christianity was questioned.
 
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