Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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I think it’s funny that the liberals are now calling Red Scare, like conservative McCarthy in the 1950s! How the pendulum swings!!😃
 
chero23 said:
The Intel chairman in the house sees no evidence whatsoever.
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Trump made a flat pronouncement of guilt without offering any evidence.

He called President Obama “sick.” He did not say “to do such a thing, if it happened, would be sick.” No, he said Obama had violated the “sacred” election process and wrote “This is Nixon/Watergate.”
 
Michael68 said:
Still no evidence Russia had any influence on the election…whoopsie! 😃
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The difference is that Trump pronounced that Barack Obama had done it, that he was bad (or sick), that this was “Nixon/Watergate.”

When did Barack Obama make a flat accusation that Donald Trump was guilty?

Meanwhile, what is Mr. Trump’s evidence concerning the illegal ballots he says were cast? He doesn’t have any. State after state accused by Trump has given evidence that it is* a falsehood*. Not just unlikely, but that it didn’t happen. No one ever gave him evidence that it was true.

What’s his evidence that there is *some possibility *that there are 30 million illegal immigrants in this country? There is none. He said it, but he just made that up.

What evidence do you have that President Trump even cares what the truth is when he speaks?
 
EasterJoy said:
Trump made a flat pronouncement of guilt without offering any evidence.

He called President Obama “sick.” He did not say “to do such a thing, if it happened, would be sick.” No, he said Obama had violated the “sacred” election process and wrote “This is Nixon/Watergate.”
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And they say Russia hacked and influened the election. They did not say could have or might have. Every night we are told Russia hacked the election and there is no evidence . Do you hold the left to your standard?
 
Michael68 said:
And they say Russia hacked and influened the election. They did not say could have or might have. Every night we are told Russia hacked the election and there is no evidence . Do you hold the left to your standard?
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No, the allegation is that the Russians hacked computers so they could release damaging evidence prior to the election, not that they fixed the election directly. Secretary of state after secretary of state has confirmed that their state systems do not leave ways for their elections to be rigged by remote computer hackers.

As for Mr. Trump, he said himself that the Russians should try to find the missing e-mails and send them to news outlets. In other words, he advocated for releasing stolen information to the press. He also said, “Hacking is very interesting. Once they hack, if you don’t catch them in the act, you’re not going to catch them. They have no idea if it’s Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed some place.”

That is simply not true. That’s like saying you can’t know who stabbed someone else if you don’t literally catch the assailant with the knife still in his hands. It is not true.

I do not think you can say from polling data whether the infiltration that is known to have happened was what tipped the election. Maybe someone has overwhelming evidence to that effect, but I’m not aware of it. I think there are plenty of other factors that would have been sufficient to keep Mrs. Clinton from winning the election. Having said that, we’d be in hot water if our operatives were caught doing that, too.
 
EasterJoy said:
The difference is that Trump pronounced that Barack Obama had done it, that he was bad (or sick), that this was “Nixon/Watergate.”
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What evidence do you have that President Trump even cares what the truth is when he speaks?
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Mr. Trump is a true believer of what he says at the time he says it. If it’s actually true or not is irrelevant. That’s for other people to chase down while he progresses to the next big idea.

This musician is much more trustworthy than the USA’s Commander in Chief.
Bob Dylan - A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall (Audio) youtube.com/watch?v=T5al0HmR4to
Trump, in truth, said all of these things and is now the President of the United States of America. In case anyone forgot:

"Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me. Honestly.
  • Nobody’s stronger than me.
  • Nobody has better toys than I do.
  • There’s nobody bigger or better at the military than I am.
  • Nobody loves the Bible more than I do.
  • Nobody builds walls better than me.
  • Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.
  • Nobody’s fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.
  • There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.
  • There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.
  • There’s nobody more conservative than me.
  • There’s nobody that respects women more than I do.
  • Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.
  • Nobody’s ever had crowds like Trump has had.
  • There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.
  • Nobody even understands it but me, it’s called devaluation.
  • The sale of the uranium that nobody knows what it means, I know what it means.
  • Nobody knows more about trade than me.
  • Nobody knows the game better than I do.
  • Nobody’s, in the history of this country, has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.
  • I know the H1B, I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.
  • Nobody knows politicians better than I do.
  • Nobody knows more about taxes than I do.
  • Nobody knows more about debt than I do.
  • Nobody knows the system better than me.
    Which is why I alone can fix it."
24 things Trump does better than anybody (according to Trump)
news.vice.com/story/24-things-nobody-does-better-than-trump-according-to-trump
youtube.com/watch?v=vzbHXKp6Y6I
boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=820403
 
_thaddeus said:
Mr. Trump is a true believer of what he says at the time he says it. If it’s actually true or not is irrelevant. That’s for other people to chase down while he progresses to the next big idea.

This musician is much more trustworthy than the USA’s Commander in Chief.
Bob Dylan - A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall (Audio) youtube.com/watch?v=T5al0HmR4to
Trump, in truth, said all of these things and is now the President of the United States of America. In case anyone forgot:

"Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me. Honestly.
  • Nobody’s stronger than me.
  • Nobody has better toys than I do.
  • There’s nobody bigger or better at the military than I am.
  • Nobody loves the Bible more than I do.
  • Nobody builds walls better than me.
  • Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.
  • Nobody’s fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.
  • There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.
  • There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.
  • There’s nobody more conservative than me.
  • There’s nobody that respects women more than I do.
  • Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.
  • Nobody’s ever had crowds like Trump has had.
  • There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.
  • Nobody even understands it but me, it’s called devaluation.
  • The sale of the uranium that nobody knows what it means, I know what it means.
  • Nobody knows more about trade than me.
  • Nobody knows the game better than I do.
  • Nobody’s, in the history of this country, has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.
  • I know the H1B, I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.
  • Nobody knows politicians better than I do.
  • Nobody knows more about taxes than I do.
  • Nobody knows more about debt than I do.
  • Nobody knows the system better than me.
    Which is why I alone can fix it."
24 things Trump does better than anybody (according to Trump)
news.vice.com/story/24-things-nobody-does-better-than-trump-according-to-trump
youtube.com/watch?v=vzbHXKp6Y6I
boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=820403
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Don’t forget Trump knows more about war than the generals. And there is no one less anti-Semitic than he is. How could so many of the American people have fallen for all of this? We must be really desperate.
 
meltzerboy said:
Don’t forget Trump knows more about war than the generals. And there is no one less anti-Semitic than he is. How could so many of the American people have fallen for all of this? We must be really desperate.
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We must resist this man and his cronies. Organize for the 2018 election, confront him on Twitter, call your congressman and senators. Such serial lying by the leader of the free world cannot be tolerated.

John
 
meltzerboy said:
Don’t forget Trump knows more about war than the generals. And there is no one less anti-Semitic than he is. How could so many of the American people have fallen for all of this? We must be really desperate.
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Does this mean that people in New York, LA, Massachusetts, academia and the media are going to listen to for once?
 
oldcelt said:
We must resist this man and his cronies. Organize for the 2018 election, confront him on Twitter, call your congressman and senators. Such serial lying by the leader of the free world cannot be tolerated.

John
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So suddenly lying (not saying this is either) is a problem again. Just like spending.
 
oldcelt said:
We must resist this man and his cronies. Organize for the 2018 election, confront him on Twitter, call your congressman and senators. Such serial lying by the leader of the free world cannot be tolerated.

John
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Sure, sure. Maybe you can find a candidate in 2020 that understands how we elect, by electoral college and not the popular vote! Good Luck!!!
 
Michael68 said:
Sure, sure. Maybe you can find a candidate in 2020 that understands how we elect, by electoral college and not the popular vote! Good Luck!!!
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Why are you always defending trump by saying some version of “yeah, well he won the election!”

No one is saying otherwise. Trump beat Clinton. We all agree on that
 
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