Trump Massive Rally in Washington DC (Nov. 14th) (Tens of Thousands Gather)

[sallybutler]

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

 

[HarryStotle]

Not “Dem Party,” but “Democrat Party,” is the pejorative usage.

Do you know the meaning of pejorative?

If so, I don’t understand how “Democrat Party” could be “the pejorative usage.”

 

[HarryStotle]

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

Thanks for the explanation.

It appears that the Texan language is close enough to Canadian English that I can comprehend you, eh.

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

So the President of the United States is the one “full of big talk” and “lacking action, power, or substance” regarding evidence of fraud, but anonymous posters on CAF HAVE the substance and the lack of pretence to make clear and unfailing determinations regarding fraud on these forums? Their words are not “big talk?”

Okay, so how do I find my way out of this alternate reality?

 

[HarryStotle]

Believe they will and attack you when they can. Many claim to be Catholics but some are trolls and come here only to correct Catholics. For the Catholics, their sense of charity seems to disappear if you supported Trump as president…

My take is that we are all confused people in a confused reality (probably Purgatory ) trying to make sense of it.

I don’t hold anything against any one of them.

 

[LilyM]

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

I’m in Australia, but it translates very well nonetheless. Possibly because for some years I’ve been living in an area of the country where cattle-farming is a thing.

 

[Gorgias]

Just trying to get clear on the rules.

The rules are that, as Christians, we shouldn’t attempt to justify inexcusable behavior on our part by pointing to the inexcusable behavior of others.

 

[HarryStotle]

sallybutler:

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

I’m in Australia, but it translates very well nonetheless. Possibly because for some years I’ve been living in an area of the country where cattle-farming is a thing.

Rabbit farming has gone by the wayside?

 

[LilyM]

LilyM:

sallybutler:

Explanation of all hat, no cattle. You have to speak Texan to understand.

Full of big talk but lacking action, power, or substance; pretentious.

I’m in Australia, but it translates very well nonetheless. Possibly because for some years I’ve been living in an area of the country where cattle-farming is a thing.

Rabbit farming has gone by the wayside?

I see your emoji, so presume it isn’t a serious question.

For the uneducated, rabbits are an introduced pest (by an idiot English aristo who wanted to be able to hunt them), and so have never needed farming.

We have tried various interesting methods to try to contain the problem, the most interesting being a massive fence stretching hundreds of kilometres. You may have heard of the movie Rabbit-Proof Fence? Fascinating and based on a true story.

Utterly useless, of course, in terms of actually containing the rabbits. I might add that it was a scheme concocted in the great state of Western Australia. Some of the more oddball history fans among you may be aware of the Emu War which also took place in that state … do me a favour and google it, you will not be disappointed. All of this clearly just says more about Western Australians and their unique approaches to pesky wildlife than about the nation in general

Interestingly, a well-known Rugby League team is the South Sydney Rabbitohs, so named for folks in the area who during the Great Depression who made a living killing the animals, presumably eating them, and also selling their skins which were used for hats and other clothing.

And that about sums it up as far as rabbits go …

 

[Gorgias]

You, too, would have to pit your “I would say ‘no,’” against what cover or justification the President may have that you don’t have access to.

Hmm… not seeing it. Here’s what Trump did to attempt to ‘steal the election’:

• poison the waters for months in advance, in claiming non-existent fraud
• refuse to assent to the standards of American elections – that is, conceding when one has lost
• prime the pump by destabilizing the process, far in advance and in an ongoing way
• claiming “I won” far in advance of anything approaching a sufficient count of votes
• calling for counting to stop, while only in-person votes had been counted

However, there is no way that you could know that now. Ergo, your guess relative to justification is as good as mine

Except that I’m not calling for Trump and his actions to be ‘audited’, in such as way as to nullify the express will of the people.

my guess is that I have done a bit more research into it than you have. But I freely admit that I might be wrong on that, as well.

You might be.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

For the uneducated, rabbits are an introduced pest (by an idiot English aristo who wanted to be able to hunt them), and so have never needed farming.

I got introduced to that fact through the move “Rabbit proof fence.”

 

[billsherman]

The UN Global Pact effectively makes migration a human right.

As does the Catholic Church, but who cares.

 

[Odilon]

No they aren’t. Absentee ballots require a legitimate reason for not being able to vote in person. Mail in ballots require no reason and in many cases do not even require an application.

Exactly. I am a registered voter and have indicated that I want to continue voting “absentee”. In Florida, my signature is confirmed before my ballot is accepted. Thank you Gov. DeSantis for making sure the state wide voting went off without a hitch, even notoriously problem prone Broward county had all their votes in on time this year.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Right let’s make it so easy to vote that it becomes effortless to do so. Let’s make sure the industrious and thoughtful voters who work hard to educate themselves and demonstrate their commitment to the country by at least putting in the effort to get their shoes on and go stand in line for a few minutes don’t have all the say in how the country is run

Certainly don’t want the great unwashed masses having a say in their government. We really should bring back tests to make sure only the right sort of people are allowed to vote. (sarcasm is now turned back off)

Part of the shortcomings of a forum like this, as opposed to a personal conversation is that there is limited opportunity for the kind of give and take that clarifies a position.

In writing, it takes time to articulate a position that words could quickly sort out.

I have no problem with the great unwashed masses (I happen to be one myself) voting. What I do have a problem with is motivated political activists going to those who are otherwise unmotivated to vote and really have no particular bone to pick, politically speaking, and “informing” them in such a way as to manipulate them to vote a certain way.

Coincidentally, this article popped up in my feed that exemplifies something of what I was thinking of in my post, that I perhaps didn’t articulate very well.

Disability Service Coordinator Blows Whistle on Vote Fraud in Group Homes | News/Talk 1130 WISN | Dan O'Donnell

So when someone like Stacey Abrams goes out recruiting low information voters what precisely does she tell them to get them all fired up to vote? That Trump is a racist who will put people of colour into cages? That he tells people to drink bleach to cure them of Covid?

So were the laws of Wisconsin followed when the ballot harvesters or staff went into those group homes and harvested ballots by coercion?

Should we just dismiss the article as lacking authenticity? No need to ask whether it is true but dismiss it as more propaganda?

 

[Odilon]

Perhaps he should have done something to prevent the fraud from happening if he knew all about it that long ago

Here in America each state is responsible for it’s own elections. In Federal elections the only thing the Federal Constitution says about them is that the state legislatures make the election laws for each state. Here in Florida they went off without a hitch, in other states like Pa and MI not so much. President Trump could not have done anything even if he suspected any kind of fraud would happen, he can only act after the fact and he is doing that with his lawsuits.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

The UN Global Pact effectively makes migration a human right.

As does the Catholic Church, but who cares.

I do. And I think the Catholic Church is mistaken taking the UN goals as they are.

I also believe the Catholic Church has made a grave error in ratifying its agreement with the CCP.

And the Catholic Church made grave errors promoting and permitting Cardinal McCarrick having positions of authority in the Church.

Merely disagreeing with the Church does not amount to not caring.

In actual fact, it isn’t the Catholic Church I have difficulty with. It has been some of the decisions of the individuals holding positions of authority in that Church. The Church itself will go on despite what individuals do to thwart the guidance and grace of God.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

You, too, would have to pit your “I would say ‘no,’” against what cover or justification the President may have that you don’t have access to.

Hmm… not seeing it. Here’s what Trump did to attempt to ‘steal the election’:

• poison the waters for months in advance, in claiming non-existent fraud
• refuse to assent to the standards of American elections – that is, conceding when one has lost
• prime the pump by destabilizing the process, far in advance and in an ongoing way
• claiming “I won” far in advance of anything approaching a sufficient count of votes
• calling for counting to stop, while only in-person votes had been counted

“Poison the waters” is a judgement call. We could well claim that censoring stories of Hunter Biden’s laptop prevented voters from taking a good dose of clarity regarding their favorite Manchurian candidate.

One man’s poison could well be another man’s cure.

Whether or not Trump was wrong (or prescient) about the “non-existence” of fraud is yet to be determined, but nice try colouring the waters.

 

[Gorgias]

One man’s poison could well be another man’s cure.

Turning this election into a morass of unfounded innuendo and accusation is a cure for whom, again, exactly?

Whether or not Trump was wrong (or prescient) about the “non-existence” of fraud is yet to be determined

…and yet to be substantiated. Hence, “poisoning the waters”.

 

[HarryStotle]

Except that I’m not calling for Trump and his actions to be ‘audited’, in such as way as to nullify the express will of the people.

Wouldn’t an audit merely reinforce what the “express will of the people” was? If you are so certain why wouldn’t you be for an audit to at least confirm for the 72 million who voted for Trump that the results were accurately tabulated?

I mean if your own family were so divided that one half was deeply skeptical of the other half, wouldn’t full disclosure be the correct solution, rather than both sides left believing the other side is wrong or evil?

What is all this talk about healing the country?

 

[AlNg]

Trump said they rigged the election months ago

He said the election was rigged months ago, when polling indicated he would lose.

Too bad you people don’t keep up with the news. Trump is not joking and he said that the election was rigged a short while ago.

Trump Says Biden Won, But Only Because the 'Election Was Rigged' - Newsweek

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

One man’s poison could well be another man’s cure.

Turning this election into a morass of unfounded innuendo and accusation is a cure for whom, again, exactly?

Whether or not Trump was wrong (or prescient) about the “non-existence” of fraud is yet to be determined

…and yet to be substantiated. Hence, “poisoning the waters”.

It already is a “morass of unfounded innuendo and accusation.” The question is how to maneuver out of the morass instead of both sides merely floundering in the morass accusing the other of creating that morass.