What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

[daisychain]

No, I don’t believe there should be any religious differences on any of these issues, any more than I believe that, say, people may have the right to declare, “I don’t see this as a circle! I want to say this is a square!”

You may call this a circle, but some may view it as a set of points or a closed curve. Some may take a note of its size and clour as well, etc…

You may believe that religious differences come from conflicting beliefs, but I believe that they just different ways of understanding and/or describing the same. So you might think that others who may call the circle a set of points are wrong, but I think they are also right.

 

[daisychain]

A bunch of folks who have been duped into believing, for example:

• -abortion is a woman’s right
• -divorce and remarriage is their right
• -their prophets are manifestations of God, after He Who Could Not Be Contained came and died for their sins
• -there is no such thing as Original Sin
• -women can be ordained
• -Jesus is a reincarnation of the archangel Michael
• -we should not worship on Sundays, but rather Saturday is the Lord’s Day
• -there is no hell
• -statues in churches are an abomination
• -they know who is in hell

As per my previous comment, I don’t think anybody is “duped into” believing anything…however, people may recognize or understand different aspects of the “truth”. Also some may know more and some may know less about the same “truth”. To stay with your circle example, you can call it simply a circle, but ask a mathematician and he’ll be able to describe the same shape in a lot more ways.

 

[eddie_too]

it seems asserting that all religous differences are meaningless because they are all just different ways of addressing the same thing has been completely rejected by anyone who belongs to a particular set of religious beliefs.

so, such a premise can obviously be asserted, but it flies in the face of reality.

 

[PJM]

=Servant19;11410259]Patrick, dear friend, this is a wonderful post

I have some questions for you if I may, which I will address after doing some minor thread housekeeping

GREAT:thumbsup:

I’ll look forward to hearning from you soon

God Bless,
Patrick

 

[daisychain]

it seems asserting that all religous differences are meaningless because they are all just different ways of addressing the same thing has been completely rejected by anyone who belongs to a particular set of religious beliefs.

so, such a premise can obviously be asserted, but it flies in the face of reality.

I don’t think that religious differences are meaningless. People are different. If you were a teacher for example you’d know that children and adults learn differently and they have different abilities or talents, so you’d need to apply a variety of teaching methods.

 

[tskrobacz]

In a word…incarnation. When the Logos (The Word, Christ) became flesh in Jesus we could finally know personnally the divinity that lies within and beyond all creation.

 

[nmgauss]

You’d rather someone make something up than tell you where exactly to find the correct answer? That seems strange, at best, and more than a little dishonest at worst.

Telling a person to read the Book of Revelation is not answering a question. If you cannot answer the question, say so. Your reply is similar to one such as, “Read the Constitution”, when one asks what is the Bill of Rights?

 

[PRmerger]

You may call this a circle, but some may view it as a set of points or a closed curve. Some may take a note of its size and clour as well, etc…

Yet if your daughter declares, “I want to say this is a square!” you would not allow her to believe this, correct?

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[PRmerger]

You may believe that religious differences come from conflicting beliefs, but I believe that they just different ways of understanding and/or describing the same. So you might think that others who may call the circle a set of points are wrong, but I think they are also right.

So do you believe that this church, which claims that God hates homosexuals, is merely promoting a different way of viewing God’s love?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

 

[daisychain]

Yet if your daughter declares, “I want to say this is a square!” you would not allow her to believe this, correct?

As long as she refers to the same shape she can call it whatever she wants. I would explain however, that if she wants to be understood in an english speaking environment she must call it a circle

 

[PRmerger]

As long as she refers to the same shape she can call it whatever she wants. I would explain however, that if she wants to be understood in an english speaking environment she must call it a circle

Egg-zactly!



So you can see how truth matters, yes?

You would not relish your daughter professing a lie and being duped by it, right?

 

[daisychain]

So do you believe that this church, which claims that God hates homosexuals, is merely promoting a different way of viewing God’s love?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

As per my previous comments I would call it a different way of understanding that I personally can not agree with. But let’s not go into this because a lot of churches are or were responsible for promoting hate at some point and to a certain extend…

 

[PRmerger]

As per my previous comments I would call it a different way of understanding that I personally can not agree with. But let’s not go into this because a lot of churches are or were responsible for promoting hate at some point and to a certain extend…

So I am not understanding your point.

Is it true what the Westboro Baptist Church is proclaiming?

I am certain that you believe what they are professing to be FALSE.

Thus, we would never want our children to embrace lies and falsehoods, and we must therefore proclaim truth and admonish and rebuke those who profess LIES.

 

[daisychain]

Egg-zactly!



So you can see how truth matters, yes?

You would not relish your daughter professing a lie and being duped by it, right?

You were saying that unity fails because a lot of people believe “lies” rather than the truth. And I’m saying that unity fails because a lot of times people don’t recognize that they are talking about the same things, that they believe the same at their core.

 

[PRmerger]

You were saying that unity fails because a lot of people believe “lies” rather than the truth. And I’m saying that unity fails because a lot of times people don’t recognize that they are talking about the same things, that they believe the same at their core.

There is no reason to create a dichotomy here.

Both are true.

You seem to be saying that my position is false, while yours is true.

While I am saying: we are both right.

How about that for irony, eh? Here you are coming to this thread saying that we can view things differently while both views still being true…yet you are objecting to my point.

So, are we agreed that unity fails, not only because people can talk about the same thing in different ways, but ALSO because some people are duped into believing LIES?

 

[Lochias]

Telling a person to read the Book of Revelation is not answering a question.

If the answer to that person’s question is literally the Book of Revelation, yes it is.

If you cannot answer the question, say so. Your reply is similar to one such as, “Read the Constitution”, when one asks what is the Bill of Rights?

If people don’t like the (correct) answer that they get, then there’s not much the answerer can do about that. If people are here reading and replying on an internet forum, they have the ability to go read the Constitution, the Book of Revelation, the Magna Carta or anywhere else the answers to their questions may be found.

How is it, exactly, that telling someone where to find the direct answer to their question isn’t answering a question, but simply parroting what that source says IS an answer?

 

[PRmerger]

If the answer to that person’s question is literally the Book of Revelation, yes it is.

Egg-zactly.

 

[PRmerger]

Telling a person to read the Book of Revelation is not answering a question. If you cannot answer the question, say so. Your reply is similar to one such as, “Read the Constitution”, when one asks what is the Bill of Rights?

Interesting that you say this.

Is this not your post here, where you are doing the exact thing to which you are criticizing others?

If you have never heard of Karen Armstrong,** go to your public library. Several of her books are likely in the section on religion.** Armstrong has written several New York Times best sellers on religion and is regarded as one of the most respected scholars in this field.

Because you have never heard of her shows how narrow your view is. You are poorly informed.

It appears that you are reserving for yourself what you object to in others.

 

[daisychain]

So I am not understanding your point.

Is it true what the Westboro Baptist Church is proclaiming?

I am certain that you believe what they are professing to be FALSE.

Thus, we would never want our children to embrace lies and falsehoods, and we must therefore proclaim truth and admonish and rebuke those who profess LIES.

I’m saying that rather than focusing on the differences we should focus on the similarities. And this is the way to manifest unity and to get closer to the understanding of “truth”.

Regarding the differences, we should understand them, acknowledge them, incorporate them as a society, but on a personal level we don’t have to agree with everything and we have to discern what works the best for us personally.

 

[Lochias]

Interesting that you say this.

Is this not your post here, where you are doing the exact thing to which you are criticizing others?

It appears that you are reserving for yourself what you object to in others.

“Do as I say, not as I do.”