What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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meltzerboy said:
Whether Abraham is/was in Sheol, Gehenna, Purgatory, or Heaven is not really a question that Jews feel competent to respond to, and neither do they generally ask these questions. The waiting in Hell for a thousand years of which you speak may seem like an eternity to us but not so for those who experience time differently after this earthly life. Think of Sheol as a “waiting room” in a doctor’s office that allows patients to become acclimated and more relaxed before they enter the doctor’s office, and can thus have them avoid the instantaneous shock of suddenly facing the magisterial physician.
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I think you would agree, friend, that given Abrahams selfless devotion to God, a waiting room is a manifest injustice. No?
 
meltzerboy said:
I’m sure there are many things we do not know about G-d, probably more than we do know. Affirmed knowledge about the nature of G-d, which in some ways displays our arrogance, does not seem to me to be a sine qua non for spending eternity with G-d. I’m sure there are many, if not most, Christians who don’t understand the Trinity, and surely this does not mean they are doomed to hell. I would also bet that G-d, who has given us our intellect and our power to reason, does not punish us for using it even if we reach the wrong conclusion. G-d must be bigger than that, not to mention more merciful.
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Wonderful post Meltzer 👍
 
Servant19 said:
I think you would agree, friend, that given Abrahams selfless devotion to God, a waiting room is a manifest injustice. No?
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A “waiting room” makes perfect sense within the context of God’s greater plan for us, culminating in Jesus Christ.
 
PJM said:
Friends,

PLEASE lets me chairitable:thumbsup:

And for the record:

Neither the bible nor Catholics “hate” homosexual.

Our teaching is: QUOTE: Love the sinner; BUT hate THE sin;)

God Bless you
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Hi Patrick, I am a great admirer of your email study program of the Catholic Faith. You are a wonderful servant of God. 👍

I must admit, I got steered off track from your post and forgot to ask the questions I intended to ask. I will revisit your post today and address some areas that we may discuss together 🙂
 
Lochias said:
A “waiting room” makes perfect sense within the context of God’s greater plan for us, culminating in Jesus Christ.
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This greater plan is not loving nor just therefore…maybe these are not truths?
 
rinnie said:
From what I have learned not impossible to deal with, they seem to be a very loving and humble group.

With that said very few of them agree with the next.

They seem to just throw out scripture, never defend it, or interpret it fully.

Its one man for himself it seems.

I have yet had one explain in simple terms what they truly believe. Its all over the place.

They say one truth, but then teach many. But you gotta love em. They are so kind and sweet, impossible to not like,

Hopefully someday they can find a way to relate to Christ through is RCC.😉
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Hi rinnie, I haven’t seen any examples of posts where it looks like the Bahai teachings are “all over the place”

Would you mind clarifying where or when you witnessed such haphazardness please angel?
 
Lochias said:
How do you know they’re not just or loving? Methinks you just decided that on your own.
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Well Abraham for a start. He did everything God wanted of Him and He died into a waiting room. When Jesus came and atoned, Abraham would have then communed with God.

Abraham would have been the first to ask “why did I have to wait?”

Why did Abraham have to wait?

It’s a bit like winning the lottery, but you collect the cask in 30 years time. It’s an injustice
 
Lochias said:
🤷 If you never want people to understand what you mean, fine.

In the meantime, if you ever want the answer to your question, the Book of Revelation is waiting.
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The Book of Revelation is full of imagery and allegory. It can be interpreted in so many ways. What do you understand of what the wedding feast of the Lamb look like?

Surely that’s a discussion that can be had if you’ve read the Book of Revelation yourself?
 
Lochias said:
Logic, reason, history and theology all play a part.

The circle is simply an analogy, which I think you know already.
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Of course I understand the circle is an analogy.

The question is, why is only the logic, reason, history and theology of Catholicism the truth?

When Judaism provides logical, reasonable, historical and theological value to the argument that original sin is not a truth, and Christianity does the opposite, who is believing the truth, and who is duped, as PR would say?

In fact, I would extend this to Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, the Babi and Bahai Faiths also provide similar offerings for no original sin
 
Sorry just lurking and stopped right here and thought I would give Servant an answer to ponder.
Jesus the Son of God, 2nd person of the Trinity, was sent by the Father to fully complete the old covenant.
wWe were given the New Covenant through God’s Son Jesus Christ the waited for Messiah. The answer to it all for you dear Servant!!! Peace, Carlan
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So a great Prophet like Abraham spends 1000 years in Hell, and a Catholic saint can go directly to Paradise?
 
The thing is Abraham saw Jesus’ day and he was looking forward to it. So Abraham had to wait for Jesus to take him out of hell (and it’s not Hell that you think it is and this thread isn’t the place to explain it). But those who adhere to the Faith of Jesus and reach Holiness can go straight to Heaven. Catholics are called to Holiness in this way so we CAN make it to Heaven.

In no way does it reduce Father Abraham’s Faith and his Holiness. But he did need the Saviour of the World to let him attain Heaven.

Jesus is the Way The Truth and the Life.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
Of course I understand the circle is an analogy.

The question is, why is only the logic, reason, history and theology of Catholicism the truth?

When Judaism provides logical, reasonable, historical and theological value to the argument that original sin is not a truth, and Christianity does the opposite, who is believing the truth, and who is duped, as PR would say?

In fact, I would extend this to Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, the Babi and Bahai Faiths also provide similar offerings for no original sin
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Majority wins; case closed…well, not really. But you make a good point, only it is mighty difficult to accept on a Catholic Forum, (Orthodox) Jewish Forum, or Islam Forum. We all believe we have the fuller truth, and we all have the faith and reason to show why. Probably none of us has the absolute truth, for, as I have previously stated, the ways and mind of G-d are beyond all human comprehension.
 
Servant19 said:
Spiritual matters are not about a circle…
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No one has posited that “spiritual matters are about a circle”.

All I have said, as far as circles go, is that there is a truth, to which we all can arrive, and to which none of us has the right to re-define.

Thus, you don’t get to say that you now are going to declare this to be a circle.

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Nor do you get to say that it’s the capital of France.

We are all confined by the Truth. As well as logic and reason.
 
meltzerboy said:
Majority wins; case closed…well, not really. But you make a good point, only it is mighty difficult to accept on a Catholic Forum, (Orthodox) Jewish Forum, or Islam Forum. We all believe we have the fuller truth, and we all have the faith and reason to show why. Probably none of us has the absolute truth, for, as I have previously stated, the ways and mind of G-d are beyond all human comprehension.
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Catholicism has the fullness of truth, meltzer. That which the human mind has the capacity to understand has been revealed in the Catholic Church.
 
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