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Servant19
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Complete communion with God, eternally
What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?
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PRmerger
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And so Abraham did not have complete communion with God after his death until Moses gave him salvation?
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Servant19
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I would say that what Abraham brought to the world, whether it was a religion, or what, has been lost to historical posterity.
I cannot speak for Abraham.
But I know this. I have absolute Faith that were the grace of God, for even one second, to be removed from His creation, everything visible and invisible will be folded up.
There has always been grace, and there has always been salvation through Gods Messengers, from the beginning of time. Indigenous religions speak of exactly the same thing, go spend some time with the indigenous peoples, they will teach you a great great deal indeed…
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PRmerger
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Servant, could you please answer the above?
Again, your question was asked prior to my answer “Read the Book of Revelation”, so your first answer can not be truthful.
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PRmerger
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Can you please answer the question?
For it appears that you have locked yourself into another corner, friend.
You objected to the fact that Catholicism proclaims that Abraham, who did good deeds, was punished by not being able to go directly to heaven at his death, until Jesus paid the price…
yet it appears that you have the same position, in that Abraham, who did good deeds, was punished by not being able to go directly to heaven at his death, until Moses paid the price?
Yes?
Or was salvation accomplished prior to Moses according to Bahais?
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Servant19
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I just got a hunch you would say that, a lucky guess?? I don’t know…what do you want me to say…??
These things happen sometimes PR…don’t read so much into it…
(I do feel connected to you somehow, so maybe there’s more to life than what we see, I don’t know)
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Lochias
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I very honestly think you knew exactly what she meant, having been here at CAF and having had this same conversation enough to know that no Catholic thinks that they’re sinless.…in which case I misunderstand when she said “Sin will not win in you”?
My apologies therefore, I do not understand what PR meant by that phrase
As I said, I don’t appreciate games, and I gently state that yours are really, really starting to wear thin.
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Servant19
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You hit the nail on the head…Faith in His Messengers as the Godhead and adherence to their Laws = salvation.
This exists in all indigenous religions dating back some 80000 years…
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Because Moses was SINFUL !
Only the Messiah could provide Salvation, but the Messiah could not be human, or rather
ONLY human. This is why the Savior had to be God Himself, who for a moment set aside
His glory, and enter into human history to die the death and pay the penalty that was too
big for any mere creation to pay off, “For God so loved the world, as to give his on-
ly begotten Son; that whosoever believes in him, may not perish, but may have
life everlasting.” John 3:16]
And on this question:
Believe it or not, that is one of the few things that God actually CANNOT
do, to make someone Divine, because only God can be Divine, and that
is what makes God GOD.
You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have
chosen: that you may know, and believe me, and understand that I
myself am. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there
shall be none.
- (Isaiah 43:10)
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Lochias
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Thanks. I extend what courtesies I am learning to give as they are extended to myself. An atmosphere of mutual respect and intellectual honesty helps.I must also voice my commendation and praise upon your efforts to dialogue with more courtesy Lochias. Your efforts and courage inspire me to try harder always.
God bless you
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PRmerger
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Well, I would like you to admit that your second answer was a lie. That absolutely could not have been your reason. :nope:
And tell me your real reason for asking.
As far as a connection to me, sure, it’s what happens with recurrent dialogue.
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Servant19
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I’m not playing games Lochias. PR’s response to that question was:
Please, I like the new Lochias. I never get angry on here. I ask questions which are absolutely valid to ask. If it concerns you, please at the very least maintain your Christainity
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PRmerger
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So salvation* wasn’t* accomplished through Moses? We (humanity) already had it?
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Servant19
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I put hand on heart and wish God to send me eternally to hell, that I have never been intentionally disrespectful or intellectually dishonest with anyone, EVER on CAF
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PRmerger
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Egg-zactly.
Servant knows no Catholic thinks she’s sinless all of the time.
But perhaps he is unaware that no Catholic is sinful all of the time, at least if she avails herself of the sacraments.
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Servant19
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The Godhead and Provider of salvation changes from age to age, from Godhead to Godhead.So salvation* wasn’t* accomplished through Moses? We (humanity) already had it?
Moses was the provider of salvation to the Jewish people, since they worshipped God through Him and adhered to His Laws. That salvation was removed from Moses as soon as Jesus said “I am”, at which point salvation was ONLY through Jesus
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eddie_too
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since the bahai teach that all of the great religious figures of the past are manifestations of the one God, it would be reasonable to conclude that it is God who desired all of the religious divisions in human history.
why, according to bahai teachings, did God want all of these religious divisions?
why, according to bahai teachings, did God want all of these religious divisions?
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Lochias
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I’m not playing games Lochias. PR’s response to that question was:
Please link to the post in question. Sentences out of context as an answer is another intellectual dishonesty.
Please, I like the new Lochias. I never get angry on here. I ask questions which are absolutely valid to ask. If it concerns you, please at the very least maintain your Christainity
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Lochias
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Careful what you wish for.
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