What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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eddie_too said:
but why did God create all of the religious division that has been prevalent throughout mankind’s history?
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In preparation for the Jesus’ Second Coming in the glory of the Father, when He will gather all nations into One Fold…
 
does it help to know that the bahai teach that all of the manifestations existed prior to their being given or maybe their taking a human body and soul.

theoretically, at least to a bahai, there are thousands of manifestations just waiting to taken on a human body and soul.

that teaching is very mormon like.
 
Servant19 said:
I can’t speak about Abraham from a Christian perspective, in terms of who He was.

From a Baha’i perspective, Baha’u’llah categorises Him as a Messenger of God in His own right, so He was the Godhead for His age, and therefore must have brought with Him a religion (obviously long dead now, with time) and a set of Laws. The Godhead does to need to be saved…They are the Saviour for that age
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So Abraham was saved because he was a messenger. The Jews are saved because of Moses?

The bad deeds that these messengers do that offend God are wiped away…how?
 
PRmerger said:
So how would you respond to this, your words, with my addition?
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If the gentiles lived during the era of Moses Divine Reign on earth, heard of Him, and rejected Him, there was no waiting, their fate was sealed. Were they to have never heard of Moses at all during their lifetimes however , then God is All-Merciful and All-Loving
 
it is such a strange god the bahai worship.

their god creates division among men so that later he can create unity among men.

that may seem reasonable to some, but i think i will seek someone who is more reasonable and less capricious.
 
Servant19 said:
I can’t speak about Abraham from a Christian perspective, in terms of who He was.

From a Baha’i perspective, Baha’u’llah categorises Him as a Messenger of God in His own right, so He was the Godhead for His age, and therefore must have brought with Him a religion (obviously long dead now, with time) and a set of Laws.
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Sounds like a whole lot of unsure guesswork to me. We have knowledge of many religions that existed during Abraham’s time; he must have been a really, really bad Godhead if nobody even remembers him for it. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
So Abraham was saved because he was a messenger. The Jews are saved because of Moses?

The bad deeds that these messengers do that offend God are wiped away…how?
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What bad deeds?
Moses killed someone who was about to kill…a sign of God’s justice…

Why did Jesus destroy other peoples property?
 
Servant19 said:
If the gentiles lived during the era of Moses Divine Reign on earth, heard of Him, and rejected Him, there was no waiting, their fate was sealed. Were they to have never heard of Moses at all during their lifetimes however , then God is All-Merciful and All-Loving
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No, no, no…you’ve ALREADY said that the Gentiles had NO MEANS of salvation during the Judaic era.

They can’t accept what they didn’t have access to. Which is it, Servant?
 
Lochias said:
Sounds like a whole lot of unsure guesswork to me. We have knowledge of many religions that existed during Abraham’s time; he must have been a really, really bad Godhead if nobody even remembers him for it. 🤷
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What religion exists today that existed during Abrahams time?
 
Servant19 said:
What religion exists today that existed during Abrahams time?
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We know about pagan worship of false gods like Baal, and various rites that were used for that worship, for one. We know all about Egyptian religious practices during that time, for another, and some of those still carry on today. Really, really strange that these false idols would have such staying power, and nobody remembers even the first bit about the religion that a supposed Godhead for an AGE was to have created.
 
in keeping with the bahai religion, maybe we here could just vote on what to believe about religion?
 
Servant19 said:
The point is, God has NEVER left humanity without His grace and guidance. The representative of the Godhead is the source of salvation, until the next one comes along…

Its the perfect coherence between Faith and Deeds
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Well there was that intertestamental period when there was no prophet around.

Humanity has never, you’re right, been without God’s guidance, that’s why we have the BIBLE! There’s
only one source of salvation, and that is Jesus, in whom all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily
(Colossians 2:9), and no other man. Also, there shall be NO MORE PROPHETS:
God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the
prophets, last of all, In these days, hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also he made the world.
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=Servant19;11413967]What am I missing Martin?? :confused:
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HERE’S WHAT YOUR MISSING:

GOD’S IN CGARGE EVEN IF YOU DON’T WANT HIM TO BE:D

Isaiah 43: 7 & 21 “And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him & This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise”

Isa.29: 16 ” You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay; that the thing made should say of its maker, “He did not make me”; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, “He has no understanding”?

Wisdom 15:7 “The potter also tempering soft earth, with labour fashioneth every vessel for our service, and of the same clay he maketh both vessels that are for clean uses, and likewise such as serve to the contrary: but what is the use of these vessels, the potter is the judge”

Jeremiah 18:6 Cannot I do with you, as this potter, O house of Israel, saith the Lord? behold as clay is in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel.

Because God Permts you to 'do your own thing" is NOT evidence that He approves of it.👍

God Bless you!
Patrick
 
Lochias said:
We know about pagan worship of false gods like Baal, and various rites that were used for that worship, for one. We know all about Egyptian religious practices during that time, for another, and some of those still carry on today. Really, really strange that these false idols would have such staying power, and nobody remembers even the first bit about the religion that a supposed Godhead for an AGE was to have created.
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Sometimes history works that way…some things survive for whatever reason, some things are lost.

I would say that during Abraham’s time some 4000 years ago, they didn’t have oxygen-replenished chambers for preserving historical documents.

Also I would guess that the level of communication for Abraham’s teachings to spread far and wide was restricted. But His name survives today as a tantamount figure in religious history, so I would say He was more of a religious figure than Mr. Baal 🤷
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Well there was that intertestamental period when there was no prophet around.

Humanity has never, you’re right, been without God’s guidance, that’s why we have the BIBLE! There’s
only one source of salvation, and that is Jesus, in whom all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily
(Colossians 2:9), and no other man. Also, there shall be NO MORE PROPHETS:
God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the
prophets, last of all, In these days, hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also he made the world.
  • (Hebrews 1:1-2)
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this still doesn’t answer my question as to why God would not send a Saviour the day after Adam fell? He is the Perfect Being, and can Plan perfectly…
 
Servant19 said:
What bad deeds?
Moses killed someone who was about to kill…a sign of God’s justice…
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Lying, being prideful, cheating, getting angry at one’s spouse, impatience with one’s children, looking lustfully at one’s servants, wishing that one’s neighbor didn’t have as much grain as he did, trying to get more sleep rather than get up and herd the sheep…

all of these are part of the human condition in their times.

These are all sins against Infinite Goodness.

How were they wiped away?
 
Servant19 said:
Sometimes history works that way…some things survive for whatever reason, some things are lost.
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You’d figure that something this important wouldn’t be so easily lost…
I would say that during Abraham’s time some 4000 years ago, they didn’t have oxygen-replenished chambers for preserving historical documents.
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And the Egyptians and early Christians did??

I’m still seeing that intellectual dishonesty coming to the fore, Servant. Let’s be real, here, and finally stop playing these games.

You’ve been argued into a corner here, and your logic just isn’t stacking up. What does that tell you?
Also what would guess that the level of communication for Abraham’s teachings to spread far and wide was restricted. But His name survives today as a tantamount figure in religious history, so I would say He was more of a religious figure than Mr. Baal 🤷
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So, really…Abraham’s self-created “religion” didn’t amount to much at all if the Gentiles later had no way of salvation, did it?
 
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