What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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Servant19 said:
Moses was there, they could’ve listened to Him I’m sure…He gave really good polish at the time 🙂

If they were completely unaware of Moses, God makes provisions…
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But you have said that the Gentiles during the Judaic times had no salvation available to them. 🤷
 
how does a perfect human being fall in to sin?

it seems that a being that falls in to sin could not rightly be called perfect?
 
Lochias said:
But you have said that the Gentiles during the Judaic times had no salvation available to them. 🤷
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My final comment…

Lochias, I know thats what I said…but I added an addendum to that, and you are not allowing to add addendum’s…please lets be fair in our dialogue 🙂

G’night y’all!!
 
also, if the bahai god created man perfect, what need would there be for their god to communicate with man since, man being perfect, there would be nothing left to which man would need to aspire.

you see, there is nothing above perfect.
 
if there is no original sin, and, the bahai god created man perfect, why do we human beings perceive so much evil in the acts of human beings and in the world?

is all of the evil simply an illusion in bahai theology?

if it is real, where does evil come from since the bahai teach that man is perfect and there was no original sin?
 
Servant19 said:
My final comment…

Lochias, I know thats what I said…but I added an addendum to that, and you are not allowing to add addendum’s…please lets be fair in our dialogue 🙂

G’night y’all!!
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No, you’re making one set of rules for some groups, and another set of rules for others (in this case, the Gentiles). There are many, many inconsistencies with what you’ve said today, including the fact that Abraham’s “created religion” isn’t with us today because they lacked document-grade preservation rooms.

Didn’t stop Jesus. Or even the Egyptians. 🤷

Goodnight.
 
do the bahai really have a doctrine of salvation?

what are men to be saved from in the bahai religion?

the RCC teaches the doctrine that human beings must be saved from their sins. that human beings’ sins prevent them from achieving their intended destiny, perfect union with perfect being. also, that human beings’ sins destine them for eternal torment and separation from their Creator.

this line of inquiry goes back to the age old question the RCs must ask the bahai. that being, after a human being has been freed from the just punishment due to them because of their sins and has received the gift of eternal and perfect union with Perfect Being, what else does a human being need?

no matter the state of the world, and it has been pretty bad since bahaullah lived and died, RCs are saved unto eternal life. that means come what may in this world, the RC’s ultimate destination is eternal love, peace and joy.
 
Servant19 said:
If Genesis is symbolic, and the earth is not 6000 years old, then how did humanity fall into sin, for your perspective Judas?
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You may not like my answer, but it doesn’t matter HOW humanity fell into sin, all
that matters is WHY things are the way they are. When God tells us that we are
fallen creatures, we don’t rise up and say, “On what account do you say this?!”

Humanity fell, doesn’t matter how, what matters is that we need the Savior, Jesus Christ.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
You may not like my answer, but it doesn’t matter HOW humanity fell into sin, all
that matters is WHY things are the way they are. When God tells us that we are
fallen creatures, we don’t rise up and say, “On what account do you say this?!”

Humanity fell, doesn’t matter how, what matters is that we need the Savior, Jesus Christ.
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The Truth, Servant, plain straight and simple, not complicated. Move on man! Peace, Carlan
 
Servant19 said:
This is another falsehood. God created man perfect, according to Baha’i teachings
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Perfect beings who need to keep a mirror polished in order be good? That doesn’t make sense. That’s an imperfect being, quite.
 
Servant19 said:
This is another falsehood. God created man perfect, according to Baha’i teachings
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R*i-i-i-ght, that’s what Christianity claims too.
THEN we gave UP that state of “Perfection,” hence "The Fa-a-a-*ll."
 
i agree with rinnie.

there is no reason that learning the truth cannot be entertaining.
 
eddie_too said:
i agree with rinnie.

there is no reason that learning the truth cannot be entertaining.
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Are there any humorous stories in the NT? Does anyone know of priests or pastors or rabbis, in their roles as teachers, turn religious services into joke telling sessions?

When we bow our heads in solemn prayer, can we laugh and be sincere?
 
nmgauss said:
Are there any humorous stories in the NT? Does anyone know of priests or pastors or rabbis, in their roles as teachers, turn religious services into joke telling sessions?

When we bow our heads in solemn prayer, can we laugh and be sincere?
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The Holy Mass is no place to be insincere, to be sure.

But we Catholics have certainly laughed and been entertained while worshipping!

I tremble at the thought of any sour-pussed saint telling you that there is no humor in our faith. :eek:
 
nmgauss said:
Are there any humorous stories in the NT? Does anyone know of priests or pastors or rabbis, in their roles as teachers, turn religious services into joke telling sessions?

When we bow our heads in solemn prayer, can we laugh and be sincere?
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Ok party pooper,

This is an Internet forum, not a religious service or are we acting in a teaching role 100% of the time. You could be typing in your PJ’s for all I know…

But since you asked:

John 11:14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”

I think that passage is full of sarcasm, I really like St. Thomas, he had a really bad habit of putting his foot in his mouth… I can relate to that :o.
 
eddie_too said:
do the bahai really have a doctrine of salvation?

what are men to be saved from in the bahai religion?

the RCC teaches the doctrine that human beings must be saved from their sins. that human beings’ sins prevent them from achieving their intended destiny, perfect union with perfect being. also, that human beings’ sins destine them for eternal torment and separation from their Creator.

this line of inquiry goes back to the age old question the RCs must ask the bahai. that being, after a human being has been freed from the just punishment due to them because of their sins and has received the gift of eternal and perfect union with Perfect Being, what else does a human being need?

no matter the state of the world, and it has been pretty bad since bahaullah lived and died, RCs are saved unto eternal life. that means come what may in this world, the RC’s ultimate destination is eternal love, peace and joy.
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If the Baha’i faith does not have a doctrine of salvation, it is also true that Judaism does not. Judaism does not believe we must be saved from sin in the same sense that Christianity does. It does not believe that humans are fallen creatures, but neither are they perfect since only G-d is perfect. Humans are made in the image and likeness of G-d; they are not gods themselves. And that is quite enough.
 
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