What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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Are there any humorous stories in the NT? Does anyone know of priests or pastors or rabbis, in their roles as teachers, turn religious services into joke telling sessions?

When we bow our heads in solemn prayer, can we laugh and be sincere?
Not where praying we should be sincere, But I believe its okay to be a little humerous when Priests are teaching and preaching the sermon.

Like the One Priest said the reason people don’t get into heaven is that have big buts.

:eek: Like I would go to church BUT the times don’t work.

I would go to confession BUT I was busy.
I would go do this for the poor But, and so on and so on.

The other Priest said one time he said if anyone thinks they are going to hell stand up. No one stood up, Then one guy stood up. The Priest said why did you stand up. He said Father I didn’t want you to be the only one.😛

Humor helps. And you can still get to the point of God at times with a chuckle.
 
I have to de-rail for one second and I promise I will quit.

Only because Christmas is comming.

This family was vacationing in the South and noticed at these peoples house the 3 wise men were dressed as firemen.

So they thought oh well, maybe the Husbands a fireman.

Along they went and EVERY house had the 3 wise men dresses as fire men.

(Now keep in mind the speech of a true southern)

So they had to ask, so they asked this women with a real sounthern drawl why are the 3wisemen dressed as fireman?

The lady said for goodness sake don’t you read the bible. They came from a fire. (a far ).😃
 
Yes, so why was Moses not given the task of providing salvation?
Because Moses gave law whereas Jesus gave grace. The law condemned all men and showed how we are unable to even come close to God’s righteousness, it was meant to humble us and teach us of our sin.
 
Because Moses gave law whereas Jesus gave grace. The law condemned all men and showed how we are unable to even come close to God’s righteousness, it was meant to humble us and teach us of our sin.
The Law was not meant to humble us or to teach us of our sin. The Law was given to Moses by G-d out of His love for us and in order to teach us how to love G-d and our fellow man and how to live righteously and lead a good life with meaning and purpose.
 
The Law was not meant to humble us or to teach us of our sin. The Law was given to Moses by G-d out of His love for us and in order to teach us how to love G-d and our fellow man and how to live righteously and lead a good life with meaning and purpose.
I seem to recall certain Mosaic Laws, which are not practiced anymore, that
kinda drive the point home that we all deserve nothing but one thing: Death . http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TMavnnEiu...moticon-for-facebook-status-comments-chat.png
In the words of Sweeney Todd, ♪ We ALL - Deserve - To Die…
 
The Law was not meant to humble us or to teach us of our sin. The Law was given to Moses by G-d out of His love for us and in order to teach us how to love G-d and our fellow man and how to live righteously and lead a good life with meaning and purpose.
I don’t deny the goodness of the law, how righteous it is but no man can live by it. Everyone is condemned by it, jew and gentile alike. This is the theology of Paul as I understand it and It will neccessarily contradict modern jewish opinions. My concern isn’t to debate with you on this matter, but the bahai actually have to deal with Paul and the new testament which they claim to believe in. They can’t just say like you, that the new testament is false, that would invalidate their claim of progressive revelation.
 
I seem to recall certain Mosaic Laws, which are not practiced anymore, that
kinda drive the point home that we all deserve nothing but one thing: Death . http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TMavnnEiu...moticon-for-facebook-status-comments-chat.png
In the words of Sweeney Todd, ♪ We ALL - Deserve - To Die…
Citing that law would help you make your point.
I have noticed that a significant theme in Judaism is being pro-active in improving oneself and urging one’s associates to bettering themselves. As long as Jews concentrate on this life and don’t waste time worrying about salvation and achieving eternal life, they are more likely to use their resources wisely.
 
Citing that law would help you make your point.
I have noticed that a significant theme in Judaism is being pro-active in improving oneself and urging one’s associates to bettering themselves. As long as Jews concentrate on this life and don’t waste time worrying about salvation and achieving eternal life, they are more likely to use their resources wisely.
Well thats certaintly not what Christ or the new testament teaches.
 
The Law was not meant to humble us or to teach us of our sin. The Law was given to Moses by G-d out of His love for us and in order to teach us how to love G-d and our fellow man and how to live righteously and lead a good life with meaning and purpose.
Then humility and learning of our sinful propensities have no place in a righteous life lead with meaning and purpose? If all good things come from God, as we in common hold, and if the Law as the Chosen People hold is God’s highest good bestowed on man (?), then it appears to follow that humility and knowledge of our sinfulness are not meant to be at all. Whereas the Law we speak of was given after the fall…
 
But you have said that the Gentiles during the Judaic times had no salvation available to them. 🤷
I said that they had no salvation available to them were they to reject Moses, or whoever was the Mouthpiece of God at the time in which they lived…
 
No, you’re making one set of rules for some groups, and another set of rules for others (in this case, the Gentiles). There are many, many inconsistencies with what you’ve said today, including the fact that Abraham’s “created religion” isn’t with us today because they lacked document-grade preservation rooms.

Didn’t stop Jesus. Or even the Egyptians. 🤷

Goodnight.
Didn’t the Pope say that salvation is available to all just recently?

Is that not one rule for Christians and another rule for those who are genuinely trying to worship the one God through the most sincere means that they are able to fathom?

Why would this rule not apply to Gentiles?

Romans 5:13 “To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law”
 
also, if the bahai god created man perfect, what need would there be for their god to communicate with man since, man being perfect, there would be nothing left to which man would need to aspire.

you see, there is nothing above perfect.
We are born perfect in the realm of the spirit. The soul of man is like a perfect mirror endowed with ALL the attributes of its Creator. Upon conception, this perfect soul is given a physical body and is made to endure an experience in the material world. The material world, if allowed to, through the free decisions of man, will stain and apply dust onto the mirror of the soul. The mirror of the soul is therefore dulled.
Through SACRIFICIAL EFFORTS, man can remove these dulling impediments from His soul, so that the light of God may shine again unimpeded, it’s original perfect condition may become manifest again.

Romans 5:3
"Not only so, but we[c] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope."

Through sacrifice we can forgo our physical attributes in order to manifest godly attributes. We can only do this by immersing ourselves in the Will of the Godhead.

Just like the block of iron, which has attributes of being solid, black and cold. When immersed into the fire (just like the fire of the love of God) it starts to take in these attributes and becomes fluid, light, and warm, as a result of sacrificing its baser attributes
Likewise, man, when separated and severed from the attributes of the world of nature, sacrifices the qualities and exigencies of that mortal realm and manifests the perfections of the Kingdom, just as the qualities of the iron disappeared and the qualities of the fire appeared in their place.
Every man trained through the teachings of God and illumined by the light of His guidance, who becomes a believer in God and His signs and is enkindled with the fire of the love of God, sacrifices the imperfections of nature for the sake of divine perfections. Consequently, every perfect person, every illumined, heavenly individual stands in the station of sacrifice. It is my hope that through the assistance and providence of God and through the bounties of the Kingdom of Abhá you may be entirely severed from the imperfections of the world of nature, purified from selfish, human desires, receiving life from the Kingdom of Abhá and attaining heavenly graces. May the divine light become manifest upon your faces, the fragrances of holiness refresh your nostrils and the breath of the Holy Spirit quicken you with eternal life."
- Abdu’l-Baha
(Promulgation of Universal Peace pg470)
 
if there is no original sin, and, the bahai god created man perfect, why do we human beings perceive so much evil in the acts of human beings and in the world?

is all of the evil simply an illusion in bahai theology?

if it is real, where does evil come from since the bahai teach that man is perfect and there was no original sin?
Yes, evil is an illusion. There is only grades of good.

There is only light. Darkness is lack of light. There is no orb in the sky producing darkness. And so it is with good and evil in the realm of the spirit 🙂
 
do the bahai really have a doctrine of salvation?

what are men to be saved from in the bahai religion?

the RCC teaches the doctrine that human beings must be saved from their sins. that human beings’ sins prevent them from achieving their intended destiny, perfect union with perfect being. also, that human beings’ sins destine them for eternal torment and separation from their Creator.

this line of inquiry goes back to the age old question the RCs must ask the bahai. that being, after a human being has been freed from the just punishment due to them because of their sins and has received the gift of eternal and perfect union with Perfect Being, what else does a human being need?

no matter the state of the world, and it has been pretty bad since bahaullah lived and died, RCs are saved unto eternal life. that means come what may in this world, the RC’s ultimate destination is eternal love, peace and joy.
Yes, Baha’u’llah is the symbol of salvation on this Day in which we speak. He saves us from the fall that mankind is currently encountering from turning its back from Baha’u’llah’s Person and His universal teachings…
 
You may not like my answer, but it doesn’t matter HOW humanity fell into sin, all
that matters is WHY things are the way they are. When God tells us that we are
fallen creatures, we don’t rise up and say, “On what account do you say this?!”

Humanity fell, doesn’t matter how, what matters is that we need the Savior, Jesus Christ.
I will tell you, dear friend, how humanity falls into sin. Free will is the instrument by which God separates the souls that are ALIVE from those that are DEAD…

The truth is, humanity falls every single time a new Manifestation of God says the words “I am”

At that very moment, every single person on the planet has the capacity to fall. They can accept or reject Him. If they accept Him, they are amongst the resurrected. If they reject Him…Gods mercy be upon them…
 
Just wondering what it was that Jesus brought to humanity that was not already brought by Moses Himself?

What is the Catholic (and non-Catholic if anyone wishes to contribute) position on this?

Thanks and G-d bless!
Grace, truth, salvation and life.

Moses received the ultimatum, that by this very law, you and all the children of Israel have been sentenced to death. Moses died and so did all other before and after him.

So who did they wait for to resurrect them from their graves in fulfilment of:
Ezekiel 37:11-14
The Vision Explained
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
So Prophet Daniel like others was told the following:
Daniel 12:13
“As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
Daniel’s resting place along with the whole house of Israel the 144,000 mentioned in John’s revelation were in Abraham’s Bosom (paradise), where the thief went to.

Yet after the risen Christ opened the fifth seal, as mentioned in John’s revelation chapter 7 of those Old Covenant Saints that were crying under the altar (Revelation 6:9) were resurrected and given white angelic garments as Ezekiel 37:11-14 prophesy fulfilled, as declared in:
Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So we see those that slept in Abraham’s Bosom are those that were resurrected by the opening of the fifth seal after Christ’s resurrection, who was the forerunner to the resurrection of the dead, that all the Old Testament Saints were hoping and waiting for. The resurrection of the dead was initiated by Christ, when he being the forerunner, fulfilled the prophesy of Ezekiel 37:11-14, by raising up the house of Israel (144,000), who were the first fruits to the resurrection of the dead.

We see the Apostle Peter also declare this event, where these first fruits were taken into the heavenly New Jerusalem with The Lord to begin the eternal millennium reign and hereby declare this first group as the first ones to be redeemed from amongst men.
Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
In Revelation of John these symbolic 144,000 from every tribe of the children of Israel, were the first to enter the measured inner court of Christ, meaning they were counted within Christ’s numbers of redeemed. The outer unmeasured court became the unbelieving gentile world at large, where the three angel message to preach the gospel was given to the New Testament first century church to prophesy this gospel until the time, time and half a time is up.
Ephesians 4:8
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
So in answering your question, you see that Christ’s first advent initiated the resurrection of the dead and fulfilled the promise given to the Old Covenant Saints by bringing them into his heavenly Kingdom as the measured inner courtroom of God. The 12 Old covenant elders from Abraham down to Daniel sat on the right side of Christ as the kingly jury and the 12 resurrected Disciples sat on the left hand of Christ. These became the fulfilment of the shadow that was played out during the 24 earthly judges as the prelude to the eternal event that would happen when 24 heavenly judges would sit with Christ, and thereby Christ became the King of these heavenly kings within his heavenly Kingdom that was established when he ascended up.

So as far as the New Testament believers are concerned, salvation came first to the Jews after their physical exodus when walking with Moses for 40 years. Today as New covenant believers we are on our spiritual exodus to the heavenly Holy city to meet the King of the North Christ Jesus in what is almost a 2000 years migration process from this life to the eternal life to be present with the temple, who is Christ.

The Holy Spirit guides us through our spiritual exodus unto death, then unto resurrection by the Spirit that raised Christ (Romans 8:11).
 
My goodness Johnny, wonderful post 🙂

Are you basically saying that the moment Jesus came on this earth, that all the people on the earth were effectively dead, and Jesus resurrected them?
 
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