What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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Servant19 said:
The Godhead and Provider of salvation changes from age to age, from Godhead to Godhead.

Moses was the provider of salvation to the Jewish people, since they worshipped God through Him and adhered to His Laws. That salvation was removed from Moses as soon as Jesus said “I am”, at which point salvation was ONLY through Jesus
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What about Abraham? Was he in heaven right after he died? Or did he have to wait until Moses provided salvation?

And what about the gentiles? Who was their salvation at the time of Moses?
 
PRmerger said:
Egg-zactly.

Servant knows no Catholic thinks she’s sinless all of the time.

But perhaps he is unaware that no Catholic is sinful all of the time, at least if she avails herself of the sacraments.
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Truth.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Because Moses was SINFUL !

Only the Messiah could provide Salvation, but the Messiah could not be human, or rather
ONLY human. This is why the Savior had to be God Himself, who for a moment set aside
His glory, and enter into human history to die the death and pay the penalty that was too
big for any mere creation to pay off, “For God so loved the world, as to give his on-
ly begotten Son; that whosoever believes in him, may not perish, but may have
life everlasting.” John 3:16]

And on this question:

Believe it or not, that is one of the few things that God actually CANNOT
do, to make someone Divine, because only God can be Divine, and that
is what makes God GOD.
You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have
chosen: that you may know, and believe me, and understand that I
myself am. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there
shall be none.
  • (Isaiah 43:10)
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My point is Judas, why didn’t God come to earth, straight after Adam’s Fall and save EVERYONE for evermore…that makes sense right?
 
PRmerger said:
What about Abraham? Was he in heaven right after he died? Or did he have to wait until Moses provided salvation?

And what about the gentiles? Who was their salvation at the time of Moses?
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Waiting to hear this answer with great interest, Servant.
 
PRmerger said:
What about Abraham? Was he in heaven right after he died? Or did he have to wait until Moses provided salvation?

And what about the gentiles? Who was their salvation at the time of Moses?
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The gentiles, during the Judaic period, had no salvation…
 
The point is, God has NEVER left humanity without His grace and guidance. The representative of the Godhead is the source of salvation, until the next one comes along…

Its the perfect coherence between Faith and Deeds
 
Servant19 said:
The gentiles, during the Judaic period, had no salvation…
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…but you still think it’s unfair that Abraham had to wait until the gates of Heaven were open to enter Paradise? You’re okay with believing in one supposed (and mass) “injustic” concerning the Gentiles, but not Abraham?
 
Lochias said:
…but you still think it’s unfair that Abraham had to wait until the gates of Heaven were open to enter Paradise? You’re okay with believing in one supposed (and mass) “injustic” concerning the Gentiles, but not Abraham?
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Its not unjust…they hear about and learn from Moses, yet reject Him, persecute Him. They choose their fate, not God.

God gave them Moses, they rejected it…why is that unjust?
 
Servant19 said:
Its not unjust…they hear about and learn from Moses, yet reject Him, persecute Him. They choose their fate, not God.

God gave them Moses, they rejected it…why is that unjust?
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Ah, I see. You can see into the hearts of all past Gentiles, and know if they’re going to hell or not. 👍 Most impressive.
 
Lochias said:
Ah, I see. You can see into the hearts of all past Gentiles, and know if they’re going to hell or not. 👍 Most impressive.
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Who said anything about heaven and hell, we are talking about salvation.

Don’t you believe that were someone to reject Jesus they are not saved? Can you see into peoples hearts?
 
Servant19 said:
Its not unjust…they hear about and learn from Moses, yet reject Him, persecute Him. They choose their fate, not God.

God gave them Moses, they rejected it…why is that unjust?
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And yet Abraham had to wait in the holding area until Moses saved him, right?

I am still unclear if this is your position or not.
 
Servant19 said:
Who said anything about heaven and hell, we are talking about salvation.
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Don’t you believe that were someone to reject Jesus they are not saved? Can you see into peoples hearts?
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But the Gentiles didn’t even have a means of salvation, according to you…how can one accept what’s not available to them? Does that seem unjust?
 
but why did God create all of the religious division that has been prevalent throughout mankind’s history?
 
PRmerger said:
And yet Abraham had to wait in the holding area until Moses saved him, right?

I am still unclear if this is your position or not.
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I can’t speak about Abraham from a Christian perspective, in terms of who He was.

From a Baha’i perspective, Baha’u’llah categorises Him as a Messenger of God in His own right, so He was the Godhead for His age, and therefore must have brought with Him a religion (obviously long dead now, with time) and a set of Laws. The Godhead does to need to be saved…They are the Saviour for that age
 
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