What Does Illegal Immigration Cost Me?

[Durendin]

You cannot logically equate the two.

:heart:Blyss

Having read the threads on immigration (and the hostility it provokes) I feel it’s worth keeping in mind that it’s** people **we’re talking about, and Christ himself probably was an illegal immigrant to Egypt, unless they declared themselves and risked being deported (which I find an unlikely occurance!)

It’s entirely your perogative to suggest it’s illogical to make the comparison, but I find it difficult to not equate the two, or at least hold the thought before letting rip?

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I didn’t say she was in error. I said the article was biased (written by WND. And I did read **that **article. I also said she made her slant clear (by use of perjoratives). Calling immigration and invasion is empty rhetoric. An invasion is when and armed force comes across the border and engages our armed forces for the purpose of gaining territory for their state.

I will even post a link to the PDF.

jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

I am convinced that any reasonable person will see that one person with such an obvious crusade does not lend to scientific research. Phrases like “illegal aliens stealthy assault on medicine” is hardly a scientific outlook. Not surprising for someone willing to demean another human being, she is a pro-abortion feminist and a trial lawyer. Telling one side is her forte.

ffeusa.org/html/speakers/cosman.html

By the way. No need to tell me that what I say is inconsequential. That was just wrong.

Thank you for re-posting the link that I already posted in message #71. I find your arguments inane because obviously you did not read the PDF article and did not take the time to read who the sources were for the article. I posted some of them in a previous message, but it would appear that ANY source that does NOT say about how the illegals are doing nothing wrong, are NOT bringing diseases into this country will be overlooked by you. You want to shoot the messenger because you do not like the message.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Having read the threads on immigration (and the hostility it provokes) I feel it’s worth keeping in mind that it’s** people **we’re talking about, and Christ himself probably was an illegal immigrant to Egypt, unless they declared themselves and risked being deported (which I find an unlikely occurance!)

It’s entirely your perogative to suggest it’s illogical to make the comparison, but I find it difficult to not equate the two, or at least hold the thought before letting rip?

I say ***again…***how can you logically equate the two?

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I will concede that illegal immigrants will bring some disease into this country. What I will not concede is that documentation would mitigate the disease that they care, that they have a higher percentage of disease that legal immigrants or that the cost to this is not offset by revenue from labor.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say…could you make yourself a little clearer please?

Are you saying that because they bring more bang for the buck in labor…that the ramifications of the diseases that they bring in should be lessened? How would that be? They are bringing diseases in that were at one time gone in this country and now they are bringing them back…to a country with 45 millions of UNINSURED!! THAT is a BIG problem.

:heart:Blyss

 

[pnewton]

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Chapter 13 of Paul’s Letter to the Romans:

1** Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.** 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

This tells me that people have to obey the laws of other nations and the authority of those nations. You can quote Bible verse and that is all well and good, but we have to be practical in today’s world.

:heart:Blyss

 

[pnewton]

You can quote Bible verse and that is all well and good,

One would hope so. So when if you put the two together, the one who illegal enters violates God’s command to obey the civil authority. The one who does not treat these people with charity, even the one’s that go to prison, are in danger of hell. You noticed I applauded ICE for upholding the law as they should, while the current immigration law is in place.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

One would hope so. So when if you put the two together, the one who illegal enters violates God’s command to obey the civil authority. The one who does not treat these people with charity, even the one’s that go to prison, are in danger of hell. You noticed I applauded ICE for upholding the law as they should, while the current immigration law is in place.

These people are being treated with charity. Even the criminals who are our country’s prisons are being treated better than they deserve. While I realize there can be no way to send all the illegals here now back home…we need to put a stop to the illegal immigration. I foresee an amnesty of sorts and this will be the second blanket amnesty since Reagan’s in 1986.*** It cannot continue***. We cannot, in this country have an immigration policy by default. We cannot let people sneak in and then if they stay under the radar long enough they will be granted amnesty somewhere down the road. How do you think that is fair to people who have been waiting to get into this country for quite an extended period of time? We HAVE to have a cohesive and clear policy (THAT IS ENFORCED) that will prevent those from coming into this country with diseases. We have to have a policy where people who have criminal backgrounds cannot enter. I am not against immigration, not at all, however, I AM against people who think they have a RIGHT to be here, when, in fact, they do not. We need to be much more proactive on our borders.

:heart:Blyss

 

[raggakitten]

Wow, is horrible how Godless people gather to talk about Godless things and try to pretend that they’re not talking about humans here…

Because yeah, YOUR money is more important than the life of those poor people who risked their life to get to your country, to find only cafeteria catholics who don’t care about REAL lives…
I don’t even know why this kind of topics are here in a Catholic forum!
I have found other racist-like posts on this forums, it’s disgusting!
If you want to post secular hateful rants about the taxes you have to pay and stolen ID’s, believe me, there’s a HUGE web in the internet where this type of topics fit in better!

I will pray for your true conversion, where money is not the main part of your life…

You know, at the end, when Jesus comes, your money will be useless and what will remain is THIS type of thing, starting rants out of GREED.

God Bless.

 

[Nohome]

Please show me PROOF that illegals are not bringing diseases into this country.
?Blyss

I can’t, just like you can’t prove that legal immigration does not bring disease or that visitors from other countries don’t bring disease. Why, a young woman recently visited Eastern Europe and brough measles back to the USA with her. Disease is a human condition and is poorly corrolated the legal status of travelers.

Nohome

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I can’t, just like you can’t prove that legal immigration does not bring disease or that visitors from other countries don’t bring disease. Why, a young woman recently visited Eastern Europe and brough measles back to the USA with her. Disease is a human condition and is poorly corrolated the legal status of travelers.

Nohome

this should NOT be happening too, but just because it is does not mean we should give a pass to the illegals who are regularly and continually bringing in diseases with them.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I tried to write a post to explain the cited articles to the current poster but on AMC was the “Scopes Monkey Trial” the irony was just too much

 

[mary_bobo]

These people are being treated with charity. Even the criminals who are our country’s prisons are being treated better than they deserve. While I realize there can be no way to send all the illegals here now back home…we need to put a stop to the illegal immigration. I foresee an amnesty of sorts and this will be the second blanket amnesty since Reagan’s in 1986.*** It cannot continue***. We cannot, in this country have an immigration policy by default. We cannot let people sneak in and then if they stay under the radar long enough they will be granted amnesty somewhere down the road. How do you think that is fair to people who have been waiting to get into this country for quite an extended period of time? We HAVE to have a cohesive and clear policy (THAT IS ENFORCED) that will prevent those from coming into this country with diseases. We have to have a policy where people who have criminal backgrounds cannot enter. I am not against immigration, not at all, however, I AM against people who think they have a RIGHT to be here, when, in fact, they do not. We need to be much more proactive on our borders.

:heart:Blyss

People are coming here illegally. That is against the law. We not only need to be proactive on the borders, we should secure them in such a way that we know who is coming here and are they doing it legally. This can’t go on like this.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I tried to write a post to explain the cited articles to the current poster but on AMC was the “Scopes Monkey Trial” the irony was just too much

Well, Tex, I would expect as much. It must be too hard to read the information that disproves everything you have been saying. LOL

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

People are coming here illegally. That is against the law. We not only need to be proactive on the borders, we should secure them in such a way that we know who is coming here and are they doing it legally. This can’t go on like this.

I am in total agreement. This situation cannot be allowed to continue.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Well, Tex, I would expect as much. It must be too hard to read the information that disproves everything you have been saying. LOL

:heart:Blyss

Actually the information posted was an opinion and failed to prove any assertions made against illegal immigration as accurate. If one really reads the post there is practically nothing at all factually stated about immigration.

The author really wrote about their personally distain for some Americans and a couple of American laws they disagree with. In one of the articles the author failed to represent the truth accrautely. The authors post failed to prove anything, anything at all.

Lets look

Twelve Americans murdered per day, 12 (Americans murdered) x 365 (days in a year) = 4380 x $30,000.00 (annual salaries of those murdered) = $131,400,000.00 per year loss in salaries x 20 (years of productive work those Americans could have completed) all = $2,628,000,000.00 in wages that our society loses and in taxable income that our government loses just for those twelve. -by James Estrada- theconservativevoice.com/article/22091.html

Are 12 American killed per day in this way? The real answer is no, a false accusation which rest on no proof. But it gets even worse does society loss this money? Again the answer is no, jobs to not disappear when a person is killed or retires for that matter. The author has a problem not the US society, others have every right to share that problem

If you would like to select any particular statement out the spew we could evaluate the statement and you would have the truth displayed. Of course that assumes you want to display the truth!

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

The author really wrote about their personally distain for some Americans and a couple of American laws they disagree with. In one of the articles the author failed to represent the truth accrautely. The authors post failed to prove anything, anything at all.
If you would like to select any particular statement out the spew we could evaluate the statement and you would have the truth displayed. Of course that assumes you want to display the truth!

You cast aspersions on what you read and yet YOU provide NOTHING to back up what you say. It is easy to say:“Oh, that is wrong, those are not the facts.” and yet, Tex…you provide NOTHING to back up what you say. YOU cannot say what is and what is NOT fact if you have nothing to refute them with.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Texas_Roofer]

You cast aspersions on what you read and yet YOU provide NOTHING to back up what you say. It is easy to say:“Oh, that is wrong, those are not the facts.” and yet, Tex…you provide NOTHING to back up what you say. YOU cannot say what is and what is NOT fact if you have nothing to refute them with.

:heart:Blyss

I did not make the accusation

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I did not make the accusation

So***…where ***are your facts to back up your opinions? I will be waiting…thanks…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Actually the information posted was an opinion and failed to prove any assertions made against illegal immigration as accurate. If one really reads the post there is practically nothing at all factually stated about immigration.

The author really wrote about their personally distain for some Americans and a couple of American laws they disagree with. In one of the articles the author failed to represent the truth accrautely. The authors post failed to prove anything, anything at all.

Lets look

Twelve Americans murdered per day, 12 (Americans murdered) x 365 (days in a year) = 4380 x $30,000.00 (annual salaries of those murdered) = $131,400,000.00 per year loss in salaries x 20 (years of productive work those Americans could have completed) all = $2,628,000,000.00 in wages that our society loses and in taxable income that our government loses just for those twelve. -by James Estrada- theconservativevoice.com/article/22091.html

Are 12 American killed per day in this way? The real answer is no, a false accusation which rest on no proof. But it gets even worse does society loss this money? Again the answer is no, jobs to not disappear when a person is killed or retires for that matter. The author has a problem not the US society, others have every right to share that problem

If you would like to select any particular statement out the spew we could evaluate the statement and you would have the truth displayed. Of course that assumes you want to display the truth!

Facts to support your position Tex?

:heart:Blyss