What REALLY happened in the Garden! Women the weaker of the two sexes? (All in fun)

[severus68]

You guys do realize what you are saying is utter nonsense lol? It wasn’t Adam’s job to respond for Eve. In fact, God probably saw the whole thing happening but did not stop it. I think in many ways Adam saw the whole thing happened but wanted to see how Eve would respond. The curse didn’t set in until BOTH ate the fruit. Neither is more responsible than the other and their sin is equivalent. It was easier to convince Eve though because her nature makes her more vulnerable.

If you notice how women these days think abortion and birth control give them power it is not hard to see what Eve sought was power for herself. Men say a lot about those issues but those of us in the US know where that got us in the HHS mandate debate. Instead of running to her husband to protect her (as we should to God) and showing him she was vulnerable, Eve decided she could handle herself. Sounds very familiar to many women these days! They think every man is just out to get them and they can handle themselves. If a guy try’s to protect a woman she just calls him controlling. So yeah we gave up lol

This thread was all fun with things said ‘tongue in the cheek’ and then we have your misogynic views.

 

[Lady_Love]

A woman can quite easily seduce a man with little effort. I hate to tell you but men have a big weakness when it comes to women and it is not really because of your looks. It is because you make us feel vulnerable and we are not used to it. Most of the time men feel pretty confident and able. When in love with a woman however a man feels vulnerability for the first time. Often times we approach that vulnerability by being gentle when in fact we need to be on guard. Women are like men’s kryptonite if you will.

Wow! This is awesome!

 

[grannymh]

[So is it because both Adam and Eve, aka Mankind aka Adam, did not choose to live in free submission to their Creator they then committed the Original Sin?
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You are correct in defining the sin as refusing to live in free submission to their Creator. This is a sin of wrongful pride and disobedience. The description of the temptation to be like a god by personal disobedience is that of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit.

Adam, however, is the one who is credited with committing the Original Sin because he is the original first human whereas Eve is second even though she was the first to yield to temptation.

Sometimes, I feel that there is too much nitpicking about Adam and Eve’s choice to sin. Then I realize how important is the status of Adam and I get rid of my cranky (feminine of snarky) mood. It is because of the status of Adam, that we have Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, as our Redeemer.

 

[Lady_Love]

Whether God punished them or not the fact still remains that Eve (and women) suffered a worse fate than men. Although come to think of it, being in charge of a woman is probably the worst thing on earth. Maybe God made it to work that way to teach men what a pain disobedience is. Woman quickly went from a gift to a curse…literally LOLOLOLOLOL!!! That is probably why God never gave Jesus a mortal wife. God loved Jesus too much to make him suffer THAT fate! Jesus probably had a choice between the cross and a mortal woman so He chose the cross…being married to a mortal woman was just cruel and sadly usual punishment for the time (still is)! ROFL!!!

What’s that old Testament scripture says something about it being better to be locked in an attic than to have a crabby wife.

 

[Lady_Love]

Last night after reading many of the funny replies on this thread, I woke up this morning dreaming about jokes and laughing. :yawn:

 

[Lady_Love]

Eve sinned

Yeah, Well what do you expect women to do when they were created from MAN? We didn’t have a chance in hell!

 

[silentfactor80]

This thread was all fun with things said ‘tongue in the cheek’ and then we have your misogynic views.

How was what I said misogynic? I think many of the things women like Sandra Fluke and Kathleen Sebellious advocate for are BAD for women. Many men want to do what is best for women but the same women keep telling us shut up about issues like birth control and abortion as if these issues don’t affect men. Are you one of “those Christians” that thinks pumping women up with carcinogenic hormones and hacking babies up is “women’s rights?” Why is calling out female pride such a problem for you people? Newsflash: Women have egos too! That doesn’t make one calling it out a misogynist.

We don’t hear public outcry calling women misandrists when they complain about the male ego!

 

[silentfactor80]

Eve sinned

Yeah, Well what do you expect women to do when they were created from MAN? We didn’t have a chance in hell!

Actually man was doing quite fine before ya’ll showed up. It wasn’t until after Eve entered the scene that sin did so as well. Hmm…interesting

Perhaps if woman remained in man things would not have gone awry…wonder why God thought it was bad for man to be alone?

 

[rcwitness]

Man was created to please God. We couldnt’t do it without woman. So God gave us woman, and we couldn’t do it because of woman.

Michael

 

[silentfactor80]

Man was created to please God. We couldnt’t do it without woman. So God gave us woman, and we couldn’t do it because of woman.

Michael

Amen!

 

[Walking_Home]

silentfactor80:

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You guys do realize what you are saying is utter nonsense lol? It wasn’t Adam’s job to respond for Eve. In fact, God probably saw the whole thing happening but did not stop it. I think in many ways Adam saw the whole thing happened but wanted to see how Eve would respond. The curse didn’t set in until BOTH ate the fruit. Neither is more responsible than the other and their sin is equivalent. It was easier to convince Eve though because her nature makes her more vulnerable.

If you notice how women these days think abortion and birth control give them power it is not hard to see what Eve sought was power for herself. Men say a lot about those issues but those of us in the US know where that got us in the HHS mandate debate. Instead of running to her husband to protect her (as we should to God) and showing him she was vulnerable, Eve decided she could handle herself. Sounds very familiar to many women these days! They think every man is just out to get them and they can handle themselves. If a guy try’s to protect a woman she just calls him controlling. So yeah we gave up lol

This thread was all fun with things said ‘tongue in the cheek’ and then we have your misogynic views.

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Ditto.

 

[simple_soul]

To the first part: No not at all! The spirit has both masculine and feminine traits as does God. There is no such thing as 100% male or 100% female. Yes the human body is one or the other but not really. Aside from our reproductive organs, we share quite a bit of the rest. In a way, men teach about the masculine (spiritual) to women. Women thus teach about the feminine (physical) to men. This article describes it well (catholic.org/hf/love/story.php?id=49277).

Thank you for the link will have to check it out when I have a sec.

To the second part: We could all guess at why that awful man did what he did to you but I doubt it was because he felt vulnerable. Some people commit atrocities like that because their ego is outsized and they feel entitled to do it. A man has to make himself vulnerable to his wife otherwise the 2 cannot bond. Making himself vulnerable to her shows he trusts her and trust is the foundation of any relationship. In the case of a rapist he/she does not trust and dominates the other.

*I am not sure about this. I do agree that trust is a foundation of any marriage but I do not believe that one has to be vulnerable in order to be trusted.
Also from what I understand about people acting out in violence it is usually rooted in some kind of insecurity that they have in themselves about something and they inflict violence on others to try and make themselves feel secure about themselves. It almost seems that if they can control others for some reason they seem to think they are making up for the lack of control they themselves have of themselves. (Not sure if I am explaining this correctly) It is like they are insecure. They feel like things are so “out-of-control” around them so by subduing and controlling someone or something it gives them a sense of control. Does that make sense?
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To the third part: Paradise Lost is a fairy tale and not based in any truth. The other part of paradise lost is Eve’s jealousy in which she tricks Adam into eating. Even though he realizes the trick he loves her too much. In that case it is quite the opposite of what MichaelHowling is saying in that Eve is actually influencing Adam to sin. If Eve didn’t expect to be taken away from Adam she wouldn’t have had a reason to tempt him and Adam wouldn’t have had a reason to give in. She also wouldn’t have needed saving if she listened in the first place!

I have no idea what “paradise lost” is or how you are using it or what it is about and to tell you the honest truth you are making my head go…:hypno: trying to understand and keep strait what you are saying or not saying…or maybe I am just tired. Probably the later…I guess I will have to go and get some sleep.

 

[simple_soul]

Actually man was doing quite fine before ya’ll showed up. It wasn’t until after Eve entered the scene that sin did so as well. Hmm…interesting

Perhaps if woman remained in man things would not have gone awry…wonder why God thought it was bad for man to be alone?

Insentive for guarding the garden?

 

[simple_soul]

You are correct in defining the sin as refusing to live in free submission to their Creator. This is a sin of wrongful pride and disobedience. The description of the temptation to be like a god by personal disobedience is that of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit.

Adam, however, is the one who is credited with committing the Original Sin because he is the original first human whereas Eve is second even though she was the first to yield to temptation.

Sometimes, I feel that there is too much nitpicking about Adam and Eve’s choice to sin. Then I realize how important is the status of Adam and I get rid of my cranky (feminine of snarky) mood. It is because of the status of Adam, that we have Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, as our Redeemer.

Thank you for clarifying this for me Granny. I am going to give this and a few other posts you have made to this thread some more thought…have a wonderful night

 

[silentfactor80]

Thank you for the link will have to check it out when I have a sec.

*I am not sure about this. I do agree that trust is a foundation of any marriage but I do not believe that one has to be vulnerable in order to be trusted.
Also from what I understand about people acting out in violence it is usually rooted in some kind of insecurity that they have in themselves about something and they inflict violence on others to try and make themselves feel secure about themselves. It almost seems that if they can control others for some reason they seem to think they are making up for the lack of control they themselves have of themselves. (Not sure if I am explaining this correctly) It is like they are insecure. They feel like things are so “out-of-control” around them so by subduing and controlling someone or something it gives them a sense of control. Does that make sense?
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I have no idea what “paradise lost” is or how you are using it or what it is about and to tell you the honest truth you are making my head go…:hypno: trying to understand and keep strait what you are saying or not saying…or maybe I am just tired. Probably the later…I guess I will have to go and get some sleep.

I think you are confusing vulnerability with “being in control.” One can be vulnerable but in control. Christ made Himself quite vulnerable to the point of allowing Himself to be tempted by the devil. At no point was he not in control though. A man would want to be vulnerable to his wife because that is where his heart is and that is what she desires. Think of guys like a castle. We have to lower our drawbridge to let our woman in. That does not mean we do not control the drawbridge though.

Paradise Lost is a book by John Milton. I believe it was written as a comedy. Read it in English class so definitely not religious doctrine lol!

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

In Actuality, Adam was WITH Eve in the Garden. As far as I know, he didn’t step up and fight to protect her from that slimy dragon. :nunchuk: Poor Eve gets scapegoated and even blamed by her husband. :dts:

May I voice my protest against the characterization of Satan as a ‘slimy dragon’?

Newsflash: Women have egos too! That doesn’t make one calling it out a misogynist.

Maybe so but in light of your comment, I would say the charge is justified. You now if a lady doesn’t want my gentlemanly help, you wouldn’t see me sulking in the corner nursing my ‘knight’s pride.’ I’d move on to the next person in need or what other task is needed done.

Heck, I wouldn’t take kindly to someone who keeps ‘helping me’ because they don’t think I can handle myself. (Ironically, my experience is not of men who do this but mothers!)

So again, if you think women should be running to men because you deem them vulnerable, know that bear cubs run to their mama and that elephants are led by their grannies.

 

[silentfactor80]

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Ditto.

You know to be quite honest your accusations are quite lopsided. Several posters in this thread have gone as far to accusing Adam for Eve’s sinning. Others have gone on endlessly about Eve this and Eve that while showing a complete lack of respect for God’s first creation, Adam. Then we have yet even more posts jab at “the male’s job” and no one charges anyone with misandry.

Then I make a few jests about the woman’s role and you cast judgement upon me for hating women? To be quite honest I think God would be highly disappointed that EITHER of his creations despite their poor choices would be humiliated as many of you have done here whether in jest or not.

For the record I am quite aware of the poor treatment of women. I do not however believe “an eye for an eye” is the way to go. Christ taught us ALL better than that. Many of you seem quite ok with dumping on the male here while the female prances about with no responsibility for anything. I have many women in my life I care about and value. Many of them taught me about taking responsibility through their example! They never pushed the blame off on the men in their life nor did they speak ill of them either. THOSE are the women I stand by and fight for because they understand the values of RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY. Give it a try sometime!

 

[silentfactor80]

May I voice my protest against the characterization of Satan as a ‘slimy dragon’?

Maybe so but in light of your comment, I would say the charge is justified. You now if a lady doesn’t want my gentlemanly help, you wouldn’t see me sulking in the corner nursing my ‘knight’s pride.’ I’d move on to the next person in need or what other task is needed done.

Heck, I wouldn’t take kindly to someone who keeps ‘helping me’ because they don’t think I can handle myself. (Ironically, my experience is not of men who do this but mothers!)

So again, if you think women should be running to men because you deem them vulnerable, know that bear cubs run to their mama and that elephants are led by their grannies.

My words were taken out of context! MichaelHowling has been charging since the beginning of this that Adam had to protect Eve!! My point was that she didn’t need him to protect her and could have denied Satan on her own! If anyone is the misogynist it is him. My statement to him was that IF couldn’t protect herself and needed him (as MichaelHowling said) then she should have asked for help from Adam. When you quote someone out of context falsehoods prevail!

And that is exactly what Adam did! She didn’t ask for help so he just sat there and watched! Thanks for agreeing with me!

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

They never pushed the blame off on the men in their life nor did they speak ill of them either. THOSE are the women I stand by and fight for because they understand the values of RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY. Give it a try sometime!

I believe they should if the men had/did something to land a share of that responsibility. In case you have yet my own response to you… I’m also a dude. If a man got my sister pregnant and refuse to take responsibility, you can bet I will hunt him down and make a SLAVE out of him.

And male or female, the whole respect and responsibility thing goes both ways.

 

[silentfactor80]

I believe they should if the men had/did something to land a share of that responsibility. In case you have yet my own response to you… I’m also a dude. If a man got my sister pregnant and refuse to take responsibility, you can bet I will hunt him down and make a SLAVE out of him.

And male or female, the whole respect and responsibility thing goes both ways.

And I don’t disagree with a word you have posted here lol! The only thing is I feel that in general (at least in the US) respect even for men who do the right thing is severely lacking on the part of many (but not all) women. It has gotten so bad that husband or male bashing is a rite of passage for women. They even made a new smartphone app called “The Boyfriend Trainer” that celebrates violence against men. Imagine if they made one the other way around? No one should be celebrating violence against anyone, at least Christians shouldn’t!