A) I don’t buy into the mindset that the Pauline Rite was designed with ecumenism in mind. I think it was designed with the idea of noble simplicy in mind.
Then you’re ignoring well-known facts. I can’t help you. I’m not sure where you get the idea that the Novus was created to give the Mass “noble simplicity.” Not only is it not true, but it wouldn’t make sense. The Traditional Mass already exudes “noble simplicity”, when compared with the more elaborate, flowery Eastern rites which are also beautiful. Simplicity is such a relative term, anyway. Yes, the Novus Ordo may seem “simple” compared with the Mass of the ages, but it is not simple compared with a Quaker service. Since you love “noble simplicity”, would you like to see the Mass brought to that kind of level?
**Moreover, the New Order Mass is neither noble nor simple. “Impoverished” would be a more appropriate term. It is not noble because it is not the product of centuries of devotion and authentic Catholic faith, but rather was thrown together by a committee whose primary intention was to craft a liturgy which avoided anything that might offend Protestants as much as possible. This is a FACT and is well documented. Even when “celebrated properly”, which is difficult NOT to do since the rubrics are so loose, the Novus Ordo is not noble. It is not simple either, with its endless array of options, options, and more options. Back when I still attended the Novus Ordo, I purchased a beautiful Novus Ordo Missal because I thought it would enhance the way I participate in Mass. I thought it would be nice to be able to following along in the Missal with the priest (even though this is hardly necessary since EVERYTHING is said out loud). I soon gave up on this idea, though, when I realized that using a Missal during the Novus Ordo Mass is about as complicated as filling out one’s tax forms. Options, options, options makes for much hustled page-flipping and confusion. (Thus the NO missal remains practically unused, and though it has a great section with beautiful, holy prayers, MANY of these private prayers for praying before/during/after Mass (such as the “Placeat tibi”) are prayers that were once in the Mass itself before Bugnini and Paul VI came along and decided to give us a Mass that had more “noble simplicity”
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B) I haven’t come here with a “holier than thou” attitude nor have I said that anyone here is disobedient (I said PuzzleAnnie was obedient, but I haven’t accused anyone of being disobedient other than the SSPX, who patently ARE). Given the tenor of YOUR posts and what you have to say about the Mass, I would avoid accusing other people of acting “holier than thou.”
**I haven’t really been paying attention to PuzzleAnnie’s posts, I was responding to things YOU said. **
C) I most certainly DO understand that the Catholic Church is not limited to the current trend promoted by the current pope and the current Cardinals. Where you get the idea that I don’t is a mystery to me. You make leaps in logic.
You certainly give that impression when you imply that traditional Catholics are “going against the Church” or "disobedient to the Church."
I stand by what I said. To say what this video says about the Pauline Rite and the Pope and the Council is to be disobedient, unfaithful to the Church.
I disagree with the video’s implying that some of the sacraments might be invalid when celebrated under the new rites, but the overwhelming majority of what the video said was right on the mark. How interesting that you think the makers of this video are “unfaithful”, while I got a quite different impression, that the makers of this video are FAITHFUL Catholics who are seeing their Faith and its traditions being thrown out right and left and want to PRESERVE it.
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) the onlything ‘close’ to an abuse Ive ever seen in a TLM was when Fr. Novokowsky told a joke that no one laughed at…(which was during the Homily…no mid-Mass comedy acts there)