Oh, it was heavily ornamented. But there is nothing to compare with the Easter Vigil on Holy Saturday when the cathedral is in darkness and the light from the setting sun sets fire to the stained glass windows on the west side (left side of the photo) or the glory on Easter when the sun comes blazing through the windows on the right side.
Now who’s telling who what they think
I wouldn’t tolerate a costume Mass (which I thank God every day I have never ever encountered personally or even heard of taking place in this country), or rock music in church or anything like - not even something as trivial as handholding during the Our Father for heaven’s sake!
And I have gone to great lengths personally to both avoid and discourage the above behaviours when I have encountered them. And don’t get me started on protestants!
The fact is not enough people (celebrants and attendees) want or care about the TLM to make it worthwhile having it as a regular fixture every week in every single parish.
If you can make me or anyone else care enough to change things, great. It ain’t going to happen simply by moaning exaggeratedly about (in my experience rare or non-existent) abuses like the above.
I wouldn’t be entirely too confident about that if I were you. I have heard from a firsthand account that it is quite common in THAT diocese to use a recipe for the hosts containing honey. That means the hosts made with that will be invalid.
I have no idea why in Gods name anyone would destroy a beautiful Church. I can tell you it wouldn’t happen in my diocese. We have a very strong historical socieity in our city which would have a heart attack, if they tried. I could be wrong on this but I don’t think this happen in my city. We have several really old Catholic Churches that are absolutely beautiful. My brother was married in one. I think it would be a good idea to get some real raw numbers on how many Churhes, altar were really destroyed at that time. Maybe this was certain cities?
Thanks for the link
I have had a few priests tell me that the younger GenXers are coming up the ranks and are indeed much more conservative, so this should give hope to the TLM supporters on here 
jk!!You mean like THIS?
I’m incredibly offended that you would lump me in with the likes of the people in those videos and demand an apology and a retraction
See I’m probably a bit ADD - if I were in a church like that my attention would wander anywhere and everywhere BUT the Most Holy Sacrifice taking place at the altar (as if you can even really SEE the altars - they’re kinda lost in the middle of all that useless frippery)
I’m incredibly offended that you would lump me in with the likes of the people in those videos and demand an apology and a retraction
I have heard this question before, Anima Christi, and I don’t want you to take this personally (I mean it), because this is aimed at the question: The Holy Father would never do any of those things and the question (again, the question) is RIDICULOUS. I realize that there are some TLM advocates (again, some, so don’t be offended if this doesn’t apply to any of you) who think that an expansion of the venacular or any other changes that occured in the Mass might as well be a Barney Mass or a Clown Mass, but the question is simply absurd. It’s not even akin to asking “What is the sound of one hand clapping?” or “If a tree falls in the forest and there’s no one to hear, does it make a noise?,” because those can be kind of fun if you’ve had a couple of glasses of sangria.
So is it a yes or no?? I know (or at least hope) the Pope would never order such a thing to be done. Hypothetically though, if he DID, would we be obliged to obey him? The questions you likened my question to (tree falling, one hand clap) are questions which it is IMPOSSIBLE to answer. My question is possible and requires a simple yes or no. But it seems as if you are just avoiding the question, and I can’t blame you. If you answer “yes”, you sound ridiculous and if you answer “no” you show that you are inconsistent in your reasoning.
When done correctly, without innovation, the NO is just what you described. The TLM has different prayers. The NO can even be said totally in Latin, but that still doesn’t make it a TLM. It makes it what you see on EWTN.
Missa Solemnis: I don’t wish to be pedantic, but Cardinal Mahoney did not wreckovate Our Lady of the Angels. An earthquake severely damaged St. Viviana’s Cathedral and a new cathedral was built (I don’t know how extensive the damage was and if the old Cathedral COULD have been repaired or could NOT have been repaired or could have been repaired and the cost was prohibitive).
Excuse me? :ehh: Whoever you’ve been reading it ain’t me. Arguing (somewhat) against the TLM is not the same at all as arguing in favour of abuses of the NO. If you took me that way I also apologise.
Excuse me? :ehh: Whoever you’ve been reading it ain’t me. Arguing (somewhat) against the TLM is not the same at all as arguing in favour of abuses of the NO. If you took me that way I also apologise.
I did argue against forcing reintroduction of the TLM, yes, since at this point the vast majority of Catholics neither understand it nor want it. It was a mistake to ram the NO down the throats of those who didn’t understand and want it all those decades ago, now you want to make the same mistake in the opposite direction.
I’m certainly not against a much MUCH broader availability of the TLM, or its being somewhat forced in those dioceses that are rife with severe abuse of the NO and where the local Bishop is dragging their feet. Added to this should be a greater crackdown on said abuses of course.
I hope I’ve made my position a little clearer. As for the videos … I know there are puking smilies I could use, but I choose not to in the interests of good taste
Sometimes it seems as if you could build a warehouse or a football stadium for a church and get away with it as long as it has a table in the center to celebrate the new liturgy.
Mary as the Three Children of Fatima described her…
Mary as the Three Children of Fatima described her…