When did Catholics shift this far towards the right/conservatism?

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Mark121359 said:
But you said she was a troll. Trolls don’t receive any numbers. So your “rookie numbers” crack doesn’t hold water.
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Trolls can get plenty of likes. Not nearly as many as quality posters, of course. 😉
 
I don’t think she was troll. I think she was sincere in her beliefs.
 
Never underestimate CAFs ability to overthink a casual remark/joke…
 
RhodesianSon said:
I don’t think she was troll. I think she was sincere in her beliefs.
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I don’t think she was a troll in the sense of making things up completely. I do think she enjoyed getting a rise out of people by posting deliberatively provocative things and being purposely evasive when someone asked to clarify. Trolling in the sense of being intentionally annoying.
 
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Sheesh!!! There sure are a lot of people on here that love to toot their own horns. Get over it. It’ll all be erased in roughly thirty days.
 
I didn’t realize Catholics were supposed to support communism and socialism. I can’t speak for everyone, but universal healthcare tends to support abortion, less quality care, and assisted suicide. Do you think Catholics are supposed to support abortion and assisted suicide?

As for anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and other extremism…It seems Letter 7 of the Screwtape letters is unfolding before our eyes.
 
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Technically, It didn’t to the right (only). A big chunk of the Church was poisoned by the left and right.

The best question would be when most members of the Church shifted to error.
 
Didn’t Amnesty International start out as an organization to raise awareness of prisoners of conscience in the 1970’s? Something to do with Salazar, the dictator of Portugal?
 
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I don’t know that this is a shift among “Catholics.” I think you’re seeing a particular style of posting which is ubiquitous on the internet. Not my favorite either, but hopefully it will pass. Fr. Coughlin faded and hopefully this will too.
 
The founder claims to have read a newspaper article about Portuguese students sharing a drunken toast to liberty getting 7 years in prison but no ones ever produced a copy.
 
RhodesianSon said:
The founder claims to have read a newspaper article about Portuguese students sharing a drunken toast to liberty getting 7 years in prison but no ones ever produced a copy.
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There is no big mystery about this, and I believe that Amnesty International members now accept that Peter Benenson was mistaken. I believe the story originated with comments that Benenson made more than 20 years after the event. Seemingly he was prompted to establish Amnesty because of events in Salazar’s Portugal, but the details appear to have become muddled over time. Such things happen. It does not in any way invalidate the entire history of the organisation.

Catholics (among others) cut ties with Amnesty in 2007 over its support for abortion rights. However, it should be noted that Benenson himself was a Catholic, and Amnesty had done 46 years’ excellent work between its founding in 1961 and its adoption of a pro-choice policy in 2007. Amnesty has received both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Four Freedoms Award. I can understand people who cut ties with the organisation in 2007, but if you were opposed to its work before 2007, I can only assume that you do not have a problem with the death penalty, torture, and other human rights abuses.
lwest said:
I didn’t realize Catholics were supposed to support communism and socialism.
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I didn’t say that. Either you didn’t read what I said or you are deliberately twisting my words. What I was referring to was the somewhat hysterical and paranoid way in which many people on CAF talk about leftism, socialism, communism, and Marxism as if they were (1) all the same thing and (2) actually manifested in major political parties in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. It was clarified back in 1931 that British Catholics were permitted to support the Labour Party. Back in 1931, the Labour Party was an actual socialist party, committed to the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange (a policy abandoned in 1995). If Catholics were permitted to support the Labour Party, then they can definitely support parties such as the US Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party.
TexMexBeliever said:
The Catholic Church I know is open, loving, understanding and welcoming to all and it will always be my home.
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Thank you. That is very encouraging to hear. I wish you a happy Christmas too (and a wonderful Advent before that!)
Kima said:
This is the reason why many practicing Catholics are Republican or “far right” by your terms.
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Thank you. However, as I have said several times now, it’s not just a matter of people supporting the Republicans, which I consider to be a perfectly reasonable political choice. What puzzles me is the way that people have embraced all kinds of other positions from the right which do not have anything to do with Catholic teaching. For example, nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that people should have unrestricted access to firearms.
 
MNathaniel said:
I will add: if you feel that some center of gravity in the Church is moving in one direction rather than another, perhaps consider what tends to provoke that in a human body: external forces trying to drag one in the opposite direction. To remain in place, a body must lean in the opposite direction. So to the degree that you perceive a reaction within the Church body that is leaning rightwards, perhaps examine the external world with a fair eye and consider whether possibly, just possibly, the outside world is trying to drag the Church radically leftwards, and those you perceive as leaning to the right are just trying to stay in place, practice their religion, and not be forced in someone else’s politically radical direction.
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Wow. This is SOOO good. Perfect analysis. Thanks!
 
Methodist said:
Thank you. However, as I have said several times now, it’s not just a matter of people supporting the Republicans, which I consider to be a perfectly reasonable political choice. What puzzles me is the way that people have embraced all kinds of other positions from the right which do not have anything to do with Catholic teaching. For example, nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that people should have unrestricted access to firearms.
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You’re going to have to ask individual people about their individual positions upon which the Church has not given magisterial pronouncements.
I would imagine that each is making decisions using their best prudential judgement.
I wonder if you might not be tilting at straw men in the name of reviewing Catholic positions on these issues?
 
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