Where is the Catholic outrage over recent American immigration policies?

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graciew said:
Lamentable denigration . Especially because after all his bashing of how Mexican “treat the children”, if it isn t a matter of resources,as he says,he fails to explain why those who have the economical resources are welcome and those who haven’t aren 't.
Really sorry I watched it. It is hurtful. And political.
I would have felt the same for any such video denigrating American culture.
Or any such video here.
There is no need for this ,HarryStotle .
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What you feel is kind of irrelevant to the reality of the situation. Feeling “sorry” you watched it and subsequently framing your view of what is happening in the real world based upon what you cannot tolerate doesn’t exactly paint for you an accurate portrait of the situation. Utopian dreams can be constructed from idyllic fantasies but they are doomed to fail. No political remedy will work without taking full stock of reality from the beginning.

The question is whether his statistics regarding how large numbers of children are treated in Mexico reflect the reality of what is happening there. You don’t make those statistics go away merely by calling them “lamentable denigration.”

Do you have reliable data to counter his points? Or do you merely wish to express your emotional preferences and ideations?
 
Perhaps I also have a " very low IQ." in the eyes of such bright insights to be able to analize such unbiased and truthful description of a people.
I have friends. Same as I have American friends.

Not worth one more second .

Your posts are. This video isn t.
 
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graciew said:
Lamentable denigration . Especially because after all his bashing of how Mexican “treat the children”, if it isn t a matter of resources,as he says,he fails to explain why those who have the economical resources are welcome and those who haven’t aren 't.
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As for bashing how Mexicans treat their children, that would be your take on the points that he made.

He cites the leader of the opposition party in Mexico raising the issue that Mexico ranks 2nd in the world in money generated through sex trafficking of minors, reporting US $24 billion per year. Mexico also ranks 2nd in the world for child pornography. Apparently, even some Mexican politicians recognize the severity of the problem, or are they also just “bashing” Mexico?

I am not clear that he anywhere claims “those who have the economical resources are welcome and those who haven’t aren 't.” That would be your emendation to his words.
 
Go through it again if you wish,I won t. Nor keep discussing the video.
I watched it because I care for your posts.
That is all. That is it with the opinion of this person.
 
This will be my last point addressed to you.

Consider what Wikipedia has to say about the “porous” border between Mexico and the US.


Permitting it to continue to be accessible to migration creates a vast opportunity for human traffickers to exploit the vulnerable women, children and youth from Latin America.
Smugglers sometimes pretend to offer reduced fees to women and child migrants and then sexually assault or rape them as a form of substitute “payment”. Human traffickers masquerading as coyotes often use false promises of guaranteed jobs to lure migrants, and will sometimes kidnap women and children along the journey, either for ransom from their families, or to be sold in the US into servitude or prostitution. Many unaccompanied children also make the crossing from Mexico to the U.S. Over 26,000 such children were apprehended at the U.S. border in the first half of 2016. Unaccompanied minors are sometimes sold into prostitution by the trafficker, and their families are falsely led to believe that they died during transit.
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I completely agree.
We need to pray about these heartbreaking things and also pray that God changes the minds and hearts of the Catholics that are ok with children being treated this way.
Regardless of what people’s opinion is about illegal immigration,there is no excuse or justification for children to be treated with trauma,to receive or witness aggression,or to be put in cages,or to be put in a foster system where they “disappear” and potentially get subjected to sexual abuses.

It is a well known Catholic saying that the means does not justify the ends and that it’s not ok to do a bad for a good end.

I hope we will all pray for any Catholics that can remain indifferent to watching children being ripped away from parents and who justify it within themselves.
 
I’m not indifferent.

But it seems to be a symptom of a much larger underlying problem that has nothing to do with the United States and everything to do with the state of Mexico.

I also think the entire thing is being played by the media as another opportunity to bash the current administration (which, regardless of how I feel politically, is getting ridiculous) and the media themselves are using this whole situation as a means to push their own agenda.

They are assuredly part of the problem. All of them.
 
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When the media is coordinating this carefully with wall-to-wall coverage, I am pretty sure they are trying to distract the public bfrom something else!
 
achmafooma said:
I admit that I do not know first-hand what it is like to be in a third-world, war-torn country that I am desperate to flee. But I think that if my plan was to request asylum in the United States, I would go straight to U.S. officials and make that request. I don’t understand the strategy of breaking in and hoping that, when/if they find me, I can ask for asylum then.
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Yeah, because I’m sure most people in a 3rd world country understand the process of requesting asylum.
 
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laylow said:
Yeah, because I’m sure most people in a 3rd world country understand the process of requesting asylum.
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Those that want to request asylum in America are very well informed, that’s why they are coming en masse at this point in time.
 
Here is a reasonably fair and even-handed report about how we ended up in this situation, the laws that apply, what’s changed under the Trump administration (and what hasn’t), etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/donald-trump-immigration-policies-q-and-a/index.html

I understand this is an emotionally charged issue…but I hope we can at least try to stick to the facts and use our reason at least as much as our emotion. It’s not as cut-and-dried an issue as a lot of people (both sides) seem to think, nor does it lend itself to easy solutions.

This is a topic upon which good Catholics can use their prudential judgement and come to very different conclusions about how to weigh the competing and valid interests (national security and integrity of the border vs the plight of individual immigrant families).
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Same with El Salvador (6.4 million people), Honduras, (8 million), Guatamala (17 million). These are not huge countries. Why can’t the US help with policing to get rid of the gangs, offer free trade areas to provide more and better jobs, etc. etc. If there’s no reason to come to the US, they won’t come. Simple.
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Yeah, I’m going to quote myself. In today’s (June 19) Washington Post there is an article by Jeh Charles Johnson, the secretary of homeland security from 2013-17:

“The answer to the underlying problem is twofold. First, send more aid to Central America. In 2016 Congress started down this road by appropriating $750 million in assistance for Guatamala, Honduras and El Salvador. In subsequent years that level of support has fallen off,”

What we are doing is insane. It’s like a doctor trying to treat a fever instead of finding out why the patient has a fever in the first place and treating the cause. Treat the causes of illegal immigration, not the symptoms. Why is that hard to understand?
 
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Theo520 said:
  • you talk of our history of legal immigration and pretend that it’s the same as illegal immigration
  • you indicate your opponents in the debate are against immigration in general, when they only oppose illegal immigration.
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Let me be clear… i’m not pretending that illegal immigration is okay or supporting it. I support reforming the process because it is broken. I also support the US Bishops take on the situation.
Theo520 said:
Mass unlimited legal immigration would hurt our poor people the most, we need quotas.
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To be clear again, NO ONE is advocating for open borders. But we are at full employment and in massive debt.

We need taxpayers and workers = need immigrants
 
i don’t think anyone is indifferent to childten being separated from their families. this is not a policy created by
President Trump.
Illegal immigration has been a problem for many years and now the number of asylum seekers is growing because they are being coached.
it used to be single males sneaking into the U.S. and some females.
i am not indifferent but i believe our borders should be secure and we have immigration laws for a reason.
 
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