Where is the Catholic outrage over recent American immigration policies?

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Well media spin is wrong, too, considering is a Catholic source quoting Catholic leaders.

But also I find the defense that “we did it legally” odd, because it seems to lack compassion, as if “it’s not fair we did it right.” Kind of like the elder brother in the prodigal son story.
 
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Mark 12:17

“And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

In other words, follow the Law so long as it’s just. We’re not obligated to have open borders.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Whose standards should we be striving for?
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Nations like Poland and Hungary have been protecting their borders pretty tightly, and have avoided much of the violence from refugees that nations with looser border like France and Germany have brought.

Knowing who comes in, and what their business is, is just good sense.
 
Pup7 said:
I disagree with the “situation” being “new”, or more expansive, or any of that.

I smell some media spin, especially since some of the things being attributed to the current administration have been going on for ages - like holding areas and separating asylum seekers.

This isn’t new.
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Obama administration typically detained mothers and children together, sometimes for months, while their asylum claims were adjudicated. Litigation made clear that the Flores consent decree also applied in those situations. So, the Obama administration started putting families on, basically for lack of a better term, supervised release if their claims hadn’t been adjudicated within the Flores consent decree’s timelines.

I think in general we need to get quicker about adjudicating asylum claims… And of course we need to reform the immigration system so that there are better ways to immigrate legally (some of the family-based visas for Mexicans have waiting times of well over a decade).

But that’s a separate question from this post. The question in this post is, how ought we as a nation treat those seeking asylum while we are examining their claims. And especially how we ought to treat the children. More than one of my children were removed from their biological parents and their parents’ rights were terminated, for good cause (abuse/neglect). But let me tell you, the trauma from being “tooken away” is long-lasting. Maybe even life-long.
 
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Cruciferi said:
And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. ”

In other words, follow the Law so long as it’s just. We’re not obligated to have open borders.
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Nazi’s followed their laws and murdered millions. As Cardinal Dolan said recently, “Gods laws trump the governments laws.”
 
Cruciferi said:
Mark 12:17

“And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

In other words, follow the Law so long as it’s just. We’re not obligated to have open borders.
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The problem isn’t the legalities. The problem is the assault on these families. They were ripped apart.
The family is sacred and needs to be respected at all stages of life.
I live in Ohio where a major action recently happened. Agents came by surprise and took parents in the middle of the day, leaving the children to fend for themselves without warning.

We can debate which laws are just etc… but what the government did is evil.
 
EvangelistVictor said:
Nazi’s followed their laws and murdered millions
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This is in no way comparable to Genocide. Deportation is perfectly justified in this situation. You need to think logically as your emotional argument is ridiculous!
 
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catholic1seeks said:
Well media spin is wrong, too, considering is a Catholic source quoting Catholic leaders.

But also I find the defense that “we did it legally” odd, because it seems to lack compassion, as if “it’s not fair we did it right.” Kind of like the elder brother in the prodigal son story.
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It’s not a lack of compassion. If I’m speeding and get a ticket, that’s fair - even I’m rushing to the hospital because I was just told my husband has had a heart attack. It’s right to give me the ticket. I broke the law. There’s no excuse for screaming up the highway and putting others at risk.

Follow the law.
 
Like many said, this just turns into cheap politics.

You will never win someone’s heart with cheap political maneuvering.
 
EvangelistVictor said:
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Cruciferi:
And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. ”

In other words, follow the Law so long as it’s just. We’re not obligated to have open borders.
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Nazi’s followed their laws and murdered millions. As Cardinal Dolan said recently, “Gods laws trump the governments laws.”
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Good luck with that in court.
 
Pup7 said:
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EvangelistVictor:
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Cruciferi:
And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. ”

In other words, follow the Law so long as it’s just. We’re not obligated to have open borders.
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Nazi’s followed their laws and murdered millions. As Cardinal Dolan said recently, “Gods laws trump the governments laws.”
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Good luck with that in court.
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I think Dolan’s point is that when you look at your life in it’s true context, which is eternity, the world’s judgments don’t really matter.
 
Let’s approach this another way - If you as a parent think (whether true or not)that if you enter illegally you will be separated from your children, why would you try it and then complain?
 
catholic1seeks said:
I checked National Catholic Register. I see a lot of abortion articles on the homepage (as there should be!). But nothing on the immigration crisis – except an article relating to the bishop calling for canonical penalties.

Shame…

Important to note that there are several Catholic organizations/news that call attention to it (like America Magazine).
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Let’s see what happens in the next few days regarding media outlets like NC Register.

My assumption (and hope), is that they are trying to verify sources, facts, etc. Because, I’ve read a number of conflicting things so far.

Some articles say this started under Obama and was worse in 2014. And other people are saying that Trump is making is worse.

I don’t know what really is the truth. However, I bet it’s most likely a combination of both.

HOWEVER, I do know this. One of Trump’s views is that the President is responsible for carrying out the law as Congress has written it. So right or wrong, he appears to be following the law as Congress has it to force the Congress to fix the laws.

A big issue in this country has been Presidents selectively deciding which laws to enforce and which ones not to enforce.

It’s the congress’ job to create & change the law. It’s the Executive’s job to execute the laws passed by congress.
 
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Cruciferi said:
This is in no way comparable to Genocide. Deportation is perfectly justified in this situation. You need to think logically as your emotional argument is ridiculous!
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I’m talking about the seperating of children. I believe our borders do need to be enforced humanely.
 
buffalo said:
Let’s approach this another way - If you as a parent think (whether true or not)that if you enter illegally you will be separated from your children, why would you try it and then complain?
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This is a gross oversimplification of the choices these people are faced with.
It’s rather insulting.
 
I believe the recent heavier, more even enforcement of this policy is for this reason. Discouragement.
 
It’s not insulting to expect people to follow the laws of another nation. Not at all.
 
phil19034 said:
It’s the congress’ job to create & change the law. It’s the Executive’s job to execute the laws passed by congress.
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One of the complaints on the last administration is they were not enforcing the laws of the US.
 
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