White woman who hit black man during argument about whether he could be on the beach is charged with a hate crime

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There could be more before and after what was shown in the OP’s video but the OP distorted the sequence of what was shown to make it appear as if the woman was the harassed innocent party and the black guys were the aggressors.
The video stands for itself and anyone can listen to the video. I did not distort the sequence. He calls her dumb ***** at the beginning of the video. I never said the woman was the harrassed innocent party or that the black guys were the agressors. These are your words.
 
She is a Russian refuge and had no clue she was even being video.
Which has no influence on whether or not striking someone is a crime.
She apparently thought it was a private way and that others were not allowed on it
Her wrong assumption also has no bearing on whether or not striking someone is a crime.
They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.
She exercised her own free speech during the encounter. Had she only done that, then there might not have been any crime (though harassment is a possibility).
this woman and she really had no clue.
She then may have done better to mind her own business or complain to a property manager instead of policing people herself.
This woman is a Russian refuge and is here on passport and had her passport taken away.
That is often done when there is a risk person may flee trial before the justice process is complete.
I agree that once she was told it was a public way and not a private way, she should have realized she was wrong
Thus, she started the confrontation on a false basis.
Actually I think the guy is guilty of a hate crime against women.
Hs attitude to her is clearly contemptuous of women

That isn’t a hate crime. A hate crime is a crime that is motivated by a prejudicial attitude. Having the prejudice itself is not illegal.

Calling someone a **** isn’t illegal, though hateful (fill in the blank with some slur about someone’s nationality, sex, disability status…).

Intentionally damaging someone’s property is vandalism, that is a crime.

Calling someone a **** and then destroying their property may be a hate crime; it is a crime and there is evidence that the prejudice is a motivating factor.

You’ve failed to allege any action that the man took is a crime. Without this, there is nothing to be increased to a hate crime.
 
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She is a Russian refuge and had no clue she was even being video.
Which has no influence on whether or not striking someone is a crime.
She apparently thought it was a private way and that others were not allowed on it
Her wrong assumption also has no bearing on whether or not striking someone is a crime.
They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.
She exercised her own free speech during the encounter. Had she only done that, then there might not have been any crime (though harassment is a possibility).
this woman and she really had no clue.
She then may have done better to mind her own business or complain to a property manager instead of policing people herself.
This woman is a Russian refuge and is here on passport and had her passport taken away.
That is often done when there is a risk person may flee trial before the justice process is complete.
I agree that once she was told it was a public way and not a private way, she should have realized she was wrong
Thus, she started the confrontation on a false basis.
The tape starts with him calling her a dumb ***** as he is taping her. Yes she does ask the worker if this a private way and the worker tells her certain parts of the road are a public way. She doesn’t get that she is being taped and persists in trying to understand why some areas are private and others not.

No she should not have slapped him on the arm.

She is charged with two crimes, one is battery and one is a hate crime.
 
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The tape starts with him calling her a dumb ***** as he is taping her.
Yes, yes. You’ve repeated the same things to defend the aggressor without adding anything new…
“Defending the agressor” is your words not mine. The video speaks for itself and anyone can listen to it. I am just stating how it started.
 
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how it started.

Otis Campbell, 25, said he and his friends were at Tower Pier near the Winnetka Beach for less than five minutes when a woman told them they had to leave.

“I need to see your passes,” the woman can be heard saying on the video.

“As soon as she told us that ‘we needed passes, and we could not be here, this is Winnetka and she pays to be here and this is America,’ I took it upon myself to start recording her,” Campbell said.

The video captured Donoshaytis confronting Campbell, questioning whether the group had beach passes.

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Otis Campbell, 25, said he and his friends were at Tower Pier near the Winnetka Beach for less than five minutes when a woman told them they had to leave.
It is a private beach but apparently he was on a public access pathway and she did not seem to understand that. There may be a longer video but I have yet to see or listen to it.
 
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There may be a longer video but I have yet to see or listen to it.
There are several video clips. There is also witness testimony, and the police came out to interview those involved. Someone else in the group started to record when she demanded to see their passes and she goes off to get Grace, the employee. There is also video of the woman’s arrest. The other clips are not as interesting, and there are licensing fees to pay to include it in a story. That may be a factor in why the link tou posted only has one of the video clips.

Sarah Curry (Grace’s mother) reached out to them to apologize that they had to experience what they did. The bicyclist told Sarah that Grace handled things well.
 
There are several video clips. There is also witness testimony, and the police came out to interview those involved. Someone else in the group started to record when she demanded to see their passes and she goes off to get Grace, the employee. There is also video of the woman’s arrest. The other clips are not as interesting, and there are licensing fees to pay to include it in a story. That may be a factor in why the link tou posted only has one of the video clips.
Could you post the longer version video where she confronts them? We know that she got arrested as the original article shows her mug shot.
 
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Could you post the longer version video where she confronts them?
Video clips. And no. I don’t post links to content that contains cursing. I’m not trying to get a moderation strike.
We know that she got arrested as the original article shows her mug shot.
There are a lot of things known. But part of the apparent theme of this thread is needless repetition. In the spirit of that:

She stuck a man. She was arrested. Then the video evidence was reviewed and her charge was upgraded to a felony hate crime.

But repetition is boring. Here is something more informative. Did you know that she tried to accuse the man of striking her? (According to the Cook County Prosecutor). Good thing he had video showing the other way around. This reminds me of the Amy Cooper incident. It isn’t one of her charges, but someone can be charged for making false statements to the police.

Prior to arrest though, she did admit to striking the man and declined further comment after being arrested. Even her own testimony supports her being arrested. Not that she doesn’t have other comments that have made it into the public record.

Such comments include social media posts she made describing the COVID-19 effects on African-Americans as “natural selection” along with some other racists content and pictures of herself at Trump rally’s. Her account has since removed these post from public view.
 
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Could you post the longer version video where she confronts them?
Video clips. And no. I don’t post links to content that contains cursing. I’m not trying to get a moderation strike.
I did not realize that. Could you pm me the video so I can view it or link it to an article so I can comment?

Repetition is boring. No one questioned her slapping him on the arm, she did.
 
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Could you pm me the video so I can view it or link it to an article so I can comment?
I prefer not to use the PM functionality at all. Also, it feels like there is a lack of interest in considering any information that in her defense. If you’d like to find the additional information trace the story back to it’s sources.
No one questioned her slapping him on the arm, she did.
Then you are acknowledging that she performed an action that resulted in a justification for charges being filed against her and the justice process being used.
 
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I think it’s crazy to imply they initiated the confrontation:
I did not imply they initiated the confrontation. I said we do not know what else happened. I said in situations like this it is best to assume someone may be trying to goad you to get on the internet, that is, a trap.

We do not know what happened prior to the video starting. The recording clearly starts in the middle of the this mess. We do know the woman is charged with assault.
The common sense position.
 
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gam197:
Could you pm me the video so I can view it or link it to an article so I can comment?
I prefer not to use the PM functionality at all. Also, it feels like there is a lack of interest in considering any information that in her defense. If you’d like to find the additional information trace the story back to it’s sources.
I’ve look but can’t find the longer video you speak of. Could you link an article with video?
 
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It is a ‘hate crime’ because not only was the victim and the public order hurt but the woman inflamed hateful tensions in our community. Look, she was wrong.
Virtually all assaults and murders are ‘hate crimes’
The punishments on the books for those crimes are more than adequate.

Designated “hate crime” charges should be used very sparingly, and primarily to enable federal charges when local authorities were white washing a serious crime
 
The recording clearly starts in the middle of the this mess.
Sometimes a good strategy can be to walk away, especially if nothing is to be gained. Responses to videos posted on the internet can be cruel.
We do know the woman is charged with assault.
It was misdemeanor battery. That charge was dropped and she faces class 4 felony hate crime instead.

What Is a Class 4 Felony in Illinois?​

In Illinois, crimes are classified according to how serious they are. Misdemeanors are less serious than felonies, which are broken down into five classifications, from most serious to least: Class X, Class 1, Class 2, Class 3 and Class 4. Although a Class 4 felony is the least serious of all felony charges, it still is a serious charge, with serious punishments. A prison sentence for a Class 4 felony conviction is 1 to 3 years, and Class 4 felony convictions can also include fines of up to $25,000.
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Virtually all assaults and murders are ‘hate crimes’
Are you saying that virtually all assaults and murders are because of that group or person’s perceived race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or physical or mental disability?
 
Most people don’t know that, basically, touching someone can be assault.

A one time ago, I used to get mad at other drivers, and want to let them know their transgressions. My wife made me see that I’m not the enforcer of all laws or things that aggrieve me.

Some people think that they are, though. They want people removed from public areas they think are private or require a pass or sign up. Think get into altercations with people barbecuing. What’s the common denominator? White people telling Black people what they can and can’t do.

Sorry, that’s just what it seems to be. I don’t know. Maybe this type of person also confronts other White people and the White people don’t post videos.

In this day and age, 2020, you are an idiot to confront someone in public for any type of behavior you don’t approve of. So many things could go badly.
 
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They hate the person for one reason or another, I’m going by the definition of hate.
 
Some people think that they are, though. They want people removed from public areas they think are private or require a pass or sign up. Think get into altercations with people barbecuing. What’s the common denominator? White people telling Black people what they can and can’t do.

Sorry, that’s just what it seems to be. I don’t know. Maybe this type of person also confronts other White people and the White people don’t post videos.
Try going to a private beach area and see if you don’t get called out. People around water think they own the lake and don’t want you near it. That is why they have park workers at all these private beach areas.

I am waiting for the longer video so I can see if there is more to this incident.
 
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