White woman who hit black man during argument about whether he could be on the beach is charged with a hate crime

[Motherwit]

Miketdobbs:

That leads to a dangerous way of thinking. Is every confrontation with somebody from another race based on race? Of course not. Because of the polarizing issue in the US right now, too many people (including the media) seem so quick to assume that any confrontation with a member of another race is race related.

Unlike many people here, I have been to Winnetka on many occasions. If you think that there was no racial angle to the confrontation, you are mistaken.

At a glance that seems to be true. When I googled ‘racial attack Chicago beach’ looking for more context the first hit was this one from a beach just south of Winnetka.

Without this very damning video evidence of actual ugly real life racism, racism deniers would have free reign on public discourse. People still use the n word which is an eye opener in itself.

Woman's Racial Confrontation on Oak Street Beach Caught on Camera

An ugly confrontation caught on camera at a busy Chicago beach has caused a social media outrage.

www.nbcchicago.com

 

[Theo520]

the laws are mislabeled, and should be called ‘prejudice crimes’
since hate isn’t a requirement, but prejudice is the essential component.

 

[PaulinVA]

the laws are mislabeled, and should be called ‘ prejudice crimes ’
since hate isn’t a requirement, but prejudice is the essential component.

Hate has taken on a new meaning, just like -phobia. Now phobia indicates you don’t like or don’t agree agree with some identifying feature of another person.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Hate has taken on a new meaning

the laws are mislabeled, and should be called ‘ prejudice crimes ’

This may be why a lot of legal concepts use latin nanes; they are less subjected to changes in how we use words.

But note that someone can hold prejudices that are not illegal. Ex: a person may be against people having tattoos or makeup.

 

[twf]

This is what I don’t get about conservatives. Lynchings just happened. It was a blink of an eye ago in the scheme of things. The viral hatred towards blacks that permeated much of society has certainly diminished greatly, but to say that all of its consequences magically and immediately vanished is just simply insane.

The Left latches onto absurd cases and reads too much into trivial incidents…yes… but the Right refuses to admit there is or has or could be any problem at all.

The rallying cry of the Left is “everything is racist!” That’s nonsense. The rallying cry of the Right is “racism is a lie - white people are godly Christians and never have and never could be racist”. That’s insane. Both sides are completely out to lunch.

 

[Motherwit]

This is what I don’t get about conservatives. Lynchings just happened. It was a blink of an eye ago in the scheme of things. The viral hatred towards blacks that permeated much of society has certainly diminished greatly, but to say that all of its consequences magically and immediately vanished is just simply insane.

The Left latches onto absurd cases and reads too much into trivial incidents…yes… but the Right refuses to admit there is or has or could be any problem at all.

The rallying cry of the Left is “everything is racist!” That’s nonsense. The rallying cry of the Right is “racism is a lie - white people are godly Christians and never have and never could be racist”. That’s insane. Both sides are completely out to lunch.

Exactly true. And I really believe that the way out of the enslavement of two unsatisfactory options lies with Catholics the largest group of organized gospel adherents in the world. Have courage to play the long game to subvert the polarization of politics. Change only happens when people have courage to break free from enslavement.

 

[Rubee]

Unless I had a reservation at one a and people were there, I can’t imagine walking up to someone at one of the pavilions asking if they belonged there.

Indeed. It’s ridiculous and I think the people defending those entitled people who do it know it.

 

[Rubee]

Exactly true. And I really believe that the way out of the enslavement of two unsatisfactory options lies with Catholics the largest group of organized gospel adherents in the world. Have courage to play the long game to subvert the polarization of politics. Change only happens when people have courage to break free from enslavement.

Unfortunately, a lot of catholics seem to be their political tribe first and Catholic second.

 

[pnewton]

Sometimes a good strategy can be to walk away

So true. The simplest of all ways to keep yourself safe. In this case, a few words said without thinking elevated a simple assault to a hate crime. The only positive is that it likely will be plead back down to the original assault.

 

[Theo520]

Are you saying that virtually all assaults and murders are because of that group or person’s perceived race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or physical or mental disability?

What I said is repeated below, their purpose wasn’t to inflict greater punishment because a prejudice was involved, they were created as a back up mechanism for federal charges to be pursued when state/local charges were not.

Designated “hate crime” charges should be used very sparingly, and primarily to enable federal charges when local authorities were white washing a serious crime

 

[ThinkingSapien]

they were created as a back up mechanism for federal charges to be pursued when state/local charges were not.

That speaks on Federal hate crime laws. Not on state hate crime laws. She is being prosecuted in Skokie Courthouse. That’s a county court house.

Illinois has hate crime laws in its statute 720 § 12-7.1. It was established in 2012.

 

[WingedHussar]

Side note, this trend of filming every petty confrontation and putting it online with intent to defame should really be outlawed.

1. Is it really our business that some lady in some other state lightly slapped a black man who was taunting her?
2. Putting stuff online drastically and unnecessarily escalates the outcome. You can lose a job, your spouse can lose his or her job, people get doxed, people get death threats, and they can never live it down. Seems like the Church of the Woke has a harsher standard of justice than the One True Church.
3. Having a bunch of unemployable people due to stupid internet videos is gonna lead to a lot of people who can be easily radicalized. People are far more likely to support upheavals in the social order if they can change their circumstances that way.

 

[Motherwit]

If this man hadn’t recorded and shown the public what really happened here in Central Park last year, he would be in jail right now. When racism is such an ugly weapon against someone, they need to record.

 

[WingedHussar]

I doubt that.

Funny thing is, when white people challenge black people over minor rules it is clearly racism according to American leftist standards. When black people challenge white people over minor rules, they are just being good citizens.

If memory serves correctly, that lady’s husband also got fired over the incident. Which if true circles back to my earlier point.

On the bright side, maybe white women will learn that being woke is not enough to maintain their place in the cultural Marxist oppression hierarchy.

 

[Balto1]

They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.

I really hate it when people of color use mind tricks to get me to say racist things

 

[twf]

Is that what happened in the park in New York?

 

[Annie]

conservative narrative that whites never ever are racist

I do not think that is a conservative narrative. I think it is a make-up narrative attributed to conservatives on the basis that conservatives do not adhere to the critical-theory idea that everyone everywhere is racist.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Side note, this trend of filming every petty confrontation and putting it online with intent to defame should really be outlawed.

Thank you. I have been thinking that myself.

I get there are crimes and there are instances that yes it is good to video tape to have a what happened on tape, but some of the recordings are just bits and pieces and do not tell the whole story and they ruin someones life.

Also, not all videos need to be spread all over the internet. They do not need to go viral and could be taken to the police first .

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I do not think that is a conservative narrative. I think it is a make-up narrative attributed to conservatives on the basis that conservatives do not adhere to the critical-theory idea that everyone everywhere is racist.

The truth is no one approaches these interactions with an open mind. Half the people will tie themselves in knots trying to prove something isn’t racist, because they think that if they acknowledge that a specific incident was racist they’re somehow agreeing with all the SJW nonsense. And the other half will claim every interaction is racist even if there a hundred other more plausible explanations.

We’d all do better to view individual incidents, whether they’re police shootings or simply dumb confrontations filmed on an iPhone, as individual incidents and not symbols of whatever narrative we’re trying to prove.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Yes, I have to say, a young woman walking in Central Park comes across a man (of any color) near a tree with binoculars and also video taping her, could certainly give her cause for alarm.