White woman who hit black man during argument about whether he could be on the beach is charged with a hate crime

[Motherwit]

He himself provided this information saying that the dog was going in and out through gardens in the Ramble. He was attempting to get it under control.

After he had asked her to put her dog on a leash and she was affronted by it.

He was prudent. You can’t know the lengths a racist will go to for revenge.

He went public to protect himself from racially motivated distortion which the woman, so incensed by being asked to leash her dog, was likely to do and did.

 

[WingedHussar]

Thanks, I did not know that. If it was a white man filming, the feminists would be all up in arms about sexual harassment and “rape culture”.

 

[Motherwit]

Without video evidence, he would be in jail for sure.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

His sister uploaded it. NYC was ready to prosecute her, but he refused to cooperate. He said the incident was over and had no interest in pursuing charges.

 

[Rubee]

Nonsense like this is why every single black person who is affronted by one of these entitled people should absolutely record the interactions. Let them come on boards like this and huff and puff as they face consequences. Maybe, in time, they’ll learn they don’t own black people and start behaving better in public.

 

[pnewton]

On what charge? People are not jailed for being black. There must be a crime. The woman on the other had did commit a crime, making a false report to a police officer/abuse of 9/11, depending on the specific state. I do not know how this is handled in New York.

Yes, there could be extenuating circumstances, things that happened prior to the phone video. It could have been entrapment, except that only applies to police. But what that woman did was absolutely awful, potential taking life away from a man for years for a crime he hadn’t even thought of committing.

A false criminal accusation is one of the worst crimes one can commit against a person. Herodotus wrote that lying was a capital crime in Persia, and he considered it the most disgraceful act on could commit. It is hard to understand his venomous opinion on this. But then, they did not have cell phones in Greece.

 

[Theo520]

That speaks on Federal hate crime laws. Not on state hate crime laws. She is being prosecuted in Skokie Courthouse. That’s a county court house.

why do you need state level hate crime laws? What is insufficient with with consequences for murder or assault, also state laws?

These liberal article delves into their lack of efficacy.

Why it’s so hard to prosecute a hate crime

A stabbing at the University of Maryland has invoked new questions about hate crime laws and what they do.

www.vox.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/28/417231920/how-well-do-hate-crime-laws-really-work

 

[Nepperhan]

Kafka still rules!

 

[Nepperhan]

The community response will surprise many folks here:

"In truth, Otis Campbell didn’t feel unwelcome , even after a white woman — [who was arrested and later charged with a hate crime] — accosted him on the Winnetka pier where he and friends ended a long bike ride on Aug. 17. In the now widely circulated video Campbell took of the encounter, [the woman tells him to “go back to where you’re from.” He lives in Skokie.

“I went to Niles North,” the 25-year-old said on Saturday, standing among a crowd of cyclists gathered to ride with him to the pier and make the point that Campbell, and Black people generally, are welcome in Winnetka. He regularly rides his Schwinn through the North Shore suburbs. He has a specialty sneaker business, has a background in computers and likes anime.

One white woman insisting he wasn’t welcome did not make him question what he believed about himself or his belonging, he said. He thinks she made some assumptions about him, perhaps. But she didn’t even know him.

When one of the organizers of the welcome ride, meant to be a message of anti-racism, told Campbell, “Welcome back to Tower Road,” he laughed. He’d already been back on rides.

“I honestly never intended to not go back. There was never any type of animosity against Winnetka or anybody from the North Shore or any white person in general. It was just one instance. I’m taking it as a little hiccup in the world of Otis at the moment,” Campbell said the day before the ride.

Holding a microphone set up to kick things off on Saturday, he told cyclists: “All your Black friends get judged every day. This happened. Now is the time to stand up against it.”

By the time riders took off on the trail toward the pier, there were more than 75 of them. Some carried posters meant for onlookers. One said, “Not a Racist? Great! COME JOIN US.”

Dozens more waited at the pier. Natalie Anthony, who lives on the east side of Glenview, saw the video Campbell took at the pier a couple of weeks ago and messaged him directly on Twitter to say she’d like to ride with him. It grew from there as a group of her friends helped organize the ride; she’d never done something like that before.
…

Ami Desai Das, a physician and community activist also from the east side of Glenview who was helping lead the ride, told the group of cyclists preparing to ride a story of her friend’s recent experience being confronted in an ice cream shop.

“A prominent white lawyer comes up to her and says, stop speaking Spanish,” she said. “We can’t let that happen again and again and again.”

Biker who was told to ‘go back to where you’re from’ returns to Winnetka pier for a welcome ride

Friendly people at Saturday’s bike ride kept saying, “Welcome.” In truth, Otis Campbell didn’t feel unwelcome, even after a white woman — who was arrested and later ch…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[PaulinVA]

Side note, this trend of filming every petty confrontation and putting it online with intent to defame should really be outlawed.

So, a defense against defamation (libel/slander) is the truth. If what is said is the truth, there is no defamation.

Recording someone’s words and actions is the truth. Right? There is no defamation.

I think what can be taken away for these incidents is act like someone is recording you when you’re in public. There could be a security camera, someone recording, whatever.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

I think what can be taken away for these incidents is act like someone is recording you when you’re in public. There could be a security camera, someone recording, whatever.

This is the attitude my mother told us to have in our upbringing. Being raised like that in a time before everyone having a recording device in their pocket sounded a bit paranoid, but I conformed. I feel like it has served me well.

It’s not just recording devices, but an unknown person within earshot giving testimony of what someone has said can also be incriminating.

That’s not to say that I am without controversial statements. But they are said in a space that would be difficult to record.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I think what can be taken away for these incidents is act like someone is recording you when you’re in public. There could be a security camera, someone recording, whatever.

I get that, yes, we should be watching our behavior and acting right always. I have always held by the theory that there is always someone watching and someone who knows what you are doing.

There are instances, though, where someone does nothing because they feel it is best not to react, and yet they are recorded and the very short video clip causes them harm before the whole story is told.

None of us knows who will be or if any one here may be the next victim of a cell phone video gone viral.

I also believe in “do unto others as you would want done unto you”.

 

[gam197]

PaulinVA:

I think what can be taken away for these incidents is act like someone is recording you when you’re in public. There could be a security camera, someone recording, whatever.

This is the attitude my mother told us to have in our upbringing. Being raised like that in a time before everyone having a recording device in their pocket sounded a bit paranoid, but I conformed. I feel like it has served me well.

It’s not just recording devices, but an unknown person within earshot giving testimony of what someone has said can also be incriminating.

That’s not to say that I am without controversial statements. But they are said in a space that would be difficult to record.

That seems to be your take and each and every person has to now watched every word out of their mouth.

While I believe that words are important, it has become extreme and that is what got me about this video, that he thought it was so funny, he was having a great time recording her and made it know that she was a dumb**** prior to the whole event. We do not get the whole story because it is a snip-it video.

Her life if she is here on a passport may be ruined. He makes a statement that the law will take care of her and it will and this idea that all turns out well is not true. We never hear what happens to some of these people because we do not care as they have declared “racists”,

 

[Feanor2]

gam197:

They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.

I really hate it when people of color use mind tricks to get me to say racist things

I know right!!

 

[PaulinVA]

Her life if she is here on a passport may be ruined. He makes a statement that the law will take care of her and it will and this idea that all turns out well is not true. We never hear what happens to some of these people because we do not care as they have declared “racists”,

Let me say that I would never do anything to get someone fired or outed for whatever behavior. I don’t think it’s appropriate.

 

[Feanor2]

Her life if she is here on a passport may be ruined. He makes a statement that the law will take care of her and it will and this idea that all turns out well is not true. We never hear what happens to some of these people because we do not care as they have declared “racists”,

Well if she, and other racists didn’t spew their hatred openly they wouldn’t have these problems.

Can’t they just keep their racism private- or just post anonymously on websites?

 

[ThinkingSapien]

That seems to be your take and each and every person has to now watched every word out of their mouth.

It is up to each individual to do their own risk assessment for their words and decide what risks they will take on.

Her life if she is here on a passport may be ruined.

Why would her passport be ruined? Holding a passport is to mitigate flight risk prior to a case concluding. It isn’t permanent.

We never hear what happens to some of these people

In general, I think people never hear how a case concludes because they don’t follow it. IF one wants to know, an occasional Internet search for updates is sufficient. Depending on the case, it may take years for the case to conclude and the attention span for the general public doesn’t appear to be that long.

I tend to follow a few cases here and there, most of which are Free Speech/Technology cases within the USA. The Epic v Apple one has been eventful, but it could still take years.

what got me about this video, that he thought it was so funny

I’m not quite as empathetic there. I see trying to have someone unjustly ejected from a space as an action that erodes the empathy and politeness that a person might otherwise give a stranger.

 

[gam197]

Balto1:

gam197:

They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.

I really hate it when people of color use mind tricks to get me to say racist things

I know right!!

There are videos that are outright racist and they are there. There are other videos that you wonder what went on. Well people do do strange thing when challenged. I am thinking of the Sacramento Karen who was in the store and she tells the Black woman over and over again " I only said excuse me" as she tried to pass by and the woman took offense and said she never called her a vile name.

The woman denies it but in anger because the woman told her she could not say the word, she does say it.

Sacramento 'Karen' Punched in Face After Hurling N-Word at Woman

A woman got punched in the face after calling another customer a "n*****" inside a convenience store.

www.tmz.com

Did she only say “excuse me” initially? Who knows?

 

[Nepperhan]

gam197:

They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.

I really hate it when people of color use mind tricks to get me to say racist things

Well, its a little different than that. A person can’t really egg somone on to say racist things. HOWEVER, in the heat of an argument a person will say anything to wound (See “Of Human Bondage”). Which is why I sorta gave a pass to the ‘Kramer’ dude when he called a guy the ‘n word’. I’ve seen enough street fights to know that the other person will say the vilest racist things even though he or she may not be a racist. This was not just the question of a slur but racial profiling and racial intimidation.

But, as noted by Barney Frank when he was on the receiving end of a slur: “In order for it to come out, it had to be in there.”

 

[gam197]

But, as noted by Barney Frank when he was on the receiving end of a slur: “In order for it to come out, it had to be in there.”

Your take is the person was a racist but it took a little push to get it out. It was already there.

So you believe Sacramento Karen was a “racist” because in anger she said the word she was reported to not have said prior to the challenge and the anger. She steps back from the confrontation. She took a beating for saying it. Sacramento Karen’s husband is Black.