Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

[Willing_Spirit]

I could believe the alternatives are the worst you’ve ever seen, but I can’t believe there is any convincing argument that this is really the best President we’ve had.

The only president that might have been better in my lifetime was Bush, but I wasn’t following politics at that age. I also hear people say he lied about WMD’s, not that I’m upset about removing a dictator that was oppressing people and responding to a terrorist attack.

 

[Metis1]

It breaks my heart that this President has been so strongly associated with the Christian vote, that so few of his supporters have taken him to task for his habitual lying and insulting, as if he is some savior this nation cannot afford to lose. No, he isn’t. We ought to have more faith than to settle for defending that. It is a mark against our integrity, it really is, and we won’t get rid of what this is doing to our reputation just because he’s voted out of office. We’ll be marked for the lack of integrity we tolerate.

Well said, imo.

Also, let me add this, which some may find interesting: Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

 

[Aquinas11]

This isn’t the media slanting or twisting what he says. I have verified it myself: He just makes stuff up

Well the biggest claim by media was that he engaged in collusion with Russia in 2016 election which turned out to be flat out lie and President Trump was correct. So that assessment of media is simply not true

 

[Aquinas11]

It breaks my heart that this President has been so strongly associated with the Christian vote, that so few of his supporters have taken him to task

Christians are more concerned with infanticide than hyperbole.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Well the biggest claim by media was that he engaged in collusion with Russia in 2016 election which turned out to be flat out lie and President Trump was correct. So that assessment of media is simply not true

This is an exaggeration of what the media reported. What the media actually spent more time on was Russian interference in the election - not collusion with Trump. It appeared that Trump tried to collude, but was unsuccessful, and so he is right. There was no collusion - because he failed to make the connections he needed to make.

 

[Aquinas11]

There was no collusion -

Of course there was. Hillary paid $ to Perkins law firm who paid money to Fusion GPS who paid money to Christopher Steele who paid money to Russia for fake dossier , fake dossier then given to FBI and used to commit fraud on FISA court to illegally spy on Trump to try overturn election . Lots of Russian collusion . Stay tuned

 

[Aquinas11]

Trump tried to collude, but was unsuccessful,

No, that was FBI informants Stephen Halper and Josef Misfud. Halper tried to get hired by Trump to then himself collude w Russia but was turned away. Misfud planted fake info about Russia on Trump volunteer in hopes he’d tell it to others and try prove collusion

 

[Willing_Spirit]

Where does that information come from? Is that what the investigation determined?

 

[signit]

Sorry you feel that way… not how I intended it. My point was that there are many things objectionable to voting for Trump to be president from a Catholic viewpoint. One important life issue is his ardent support for the death penalty…which is against Church teaching.

Okay.

But suppose that the Church teaching is indeed that the death penalty is inadmissible.

Just because I have to accept that teaching for myself, does that mean I have to vote only for candidates who oppose the death penalty?

 

[RuthAnne]

Can you describe what virtues he has that overcome his brazen untruthfulness

Such as?

habit of insulting his rivals? His relentless need for self-agrandizement? A child who acted like he does would deserve to be grounded.

Whether true or not, none of those things take away from the things he has accomplished.

Like I said, he’s not the best thing in the world. They all have faults. He’s the best I’ve seen in my lifetime and I’ve seen quite a few. And I really don’t care if his words or actions hurt anyone’s feelings. Not at all.

 

[RuthAnne]

He’s been one of my high matches every time I’ve taken the quiz, but I won’t vote for him because he is pro-choice.

Same here. I can’t pull for a pro-choice candidate. Not all libertarians are pro-choice.

 

[signit]

Whether true or not, none of those things take away from the things he has accomplished.

Like I said, he’s not the best thing in the world. They all have faults. He’s the best I’ve seen in my lifetime and I’ve seen quite a few. And I really don’t care if his words or actions hurt anyone’s feelings. Not at all.

Exactly what I think.

I voted for Trump the first time and I’ll be voting for him again.

I will agree with some of you that he’s not all that good of a person.

But, look at what he’s accomplished:

(1) The economy is doing well, probably because of the Republican tax cuts;

(2) Blacks and Hispanics are experiencing lower unemployment and rising wages;

(3) For the religious conservatives, he’s opposed abortion and supported “religious freedom”;

(4) And, a favorite of mine, he has the courage to put the rights of Americans over the rights of illegal aliens.

Not a candidate for sainthood, sure, but closer to what I believe as a Catholic than what else is out there.

 

[godisgood77]

Just because I have to accept that teaching for myself, does that mean I have to vote only for candidates who oppose the death penalty?

I don’t know how you could support a candidate like Trump who not only supports the grave evil of capital punishment, but has aggressively moved it forward in his few years in office.

 

[RuthAnne]

I did not vote for him in the last election. I didn’t vote for anyone. Still not sure what I’ll do, but I may surprise myself and actually vote for a Republican . . . if I vote.

 

[RuthAnne]

I don’t know how you could support a candidate like Trump

I’m still not sure how you could support ANY candidate.

The last person I want having power over me is a person who wants to have power over me.

 

[godisgood77]

(1) The economy is doing well, probably because of the Republican tax cuts;

True the economy is doing well… but GDP growth is no better than it was under Obama The tax cuts, unfortunately, add an immense amount of debt to the US and the middle class carries the burden… so as a middle class conservative, I’m against Trump for the tax cuts for the wealthy.

(2) Blacks and Hispanics are experiencing lower unemployment and rising wages;

Yes, unemployment has continued its 7 year trend of declining… nothing new to report here because of Trump’s policies. Although there was a recent spike in unemployment claims to be watched…potentially not good.

For wage growth, black workers have done the least well in US and growth has slowed considerably since 2016…potentially not good

(3) For the religious conservatives, he’s opposed abortion and supported “religious freedom”;

Agree that his administration has taken good steps to stop abortion.

I’m not trying to burst your bubble, but I think you don’t have all of the facts. I’d look closely at some of the supposedly good conservative economic policies that the President has advanced, before calling them positive.

 

[godisgood77]

I’m still not sure how you could support ANY candidate.

Fair point… politics is dirty business.

For me, there are better options that an egomaniac, who lies pathologically, bullies anyone who doesn’t support him, using cheap name calling and self aggrandizement precipitously … not to mention the bad policy decisions along the way…

We’re the United States… we deserve a decent leader.

 

[RuthAnne]

We have a decent leader. He’s not perfect by any means, but he’s the best I’ve seen.

 

[Donkey]

Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values.

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[signit]

True the economy is doing well… but GDP growth is no better than it was under Obama The tax cuts, unfortunately, add an immense amount of debt to the US and the middle class carries the burden… so as a middle class conservative, I’m against Trump for the tax cuts for the wealthy.

Okay.

And as a middle-class (middle-income) conservative, I support Trump for that reason.

The tax cuts put more money in my pocket, and, more importantly, they helped the people less well off than I am.

Both Pelosi and Warren called the tax cuts “crumbs.” Well, gee, we’re not all rich Democrats; for some of us those cuts might make a difference in our lives. Maybe the single mother in my town used some of those “crumbs” to buy new school clothes for her kids or do something special for them.