Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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Nope. Took my Bible and was prepared to face consequences as a result.

Not sure what wearing masks is at all relevant to what Lea101 are discussing but you do you.
 
F_Marturana said:
The reality is, a Republican President can’t do much to end abortion, and a Democratic President can’t do much to make it more liberalized. That liberalization happened almost 50 years ago.
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Then why vote at all? There is no ‘Hope’ in this type thinking. Man has placed to much emphasis on his ‘Intellectual Pride’. Christ tells us to be more like a ‘Child’, to use and guide ourselves from our hearts. I will never vote for any candidate who supports abortion…Democrat or Republican. I will always pray and vote for those I believe will end this murderous insanity forever!
 
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Lea101 said:
I think it boils down to, do you want security or complete freedom? Ideally we want both. But I guess we gotta pick one.
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This is such an excellent observation. I think much of the chaos in the United States can be attributed to our “need” for freedom (in certain areas, of course). For example, I believe most Americans are disgusted by the KKK, but also believe that they have a fundamental right to march in the streets and would not support trying to stop them from doing so.

Who was it that said a “benevolent dictatorship/monarchy” is the best form of government?
 
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It has to do with talk about how folks rights are being infringed upon, whether it be religious or personal freedoms.

Or mobs of people coming for you because of one’s stance on abortion. Which I don’t see happening.

Ya’ll’s discussion of how people interact in different countries with such different beliefs vs how people act in this country.

It all boils down to how we as individuals act and if we keep our heads and act as we are instructed to as christians vs. adopting the mob mentality.
 
Welshrabbit said:
Who was it that said a “benevolent dictatorship/monarchy” is the best form of government?
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I won’t be surprised if it was our founding father, lol. In fact I actually think he said that.
Welshrabbit said:
For example, I believe most Americans are disgusted by the KKK, but also believe that they have a fundamental right to march in the streets and would not support trying to stop them from doing so
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I think we’re seeing this shift a little. Or at least from an outside POV. Given the climate that’s going on right now of course.

As for the masks, I think we see the difference pretty clearly. Mandating masks is controversial there, because everyone immediately thinks about their right to freedom. Over here, we just roll our eyes and put them on, and maybe complain to our friends.

We can see the clash between collectivists and individualists globally regarding this pandemic.

I don’t think either of us (as in, the Liberal or Conservative view) have all of the answers.

A benovalent dictatorship would be ideal if it never goes wrong. Complete freedom would be ideal if everyone is living a moral life.

It’s no wonder why I always imagine God to be pulling his hair out (“that’s why I gave you the church!!”)
 
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farronwolf said:
Which I don’t see happening.
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Not yet…

I personally wear a mask anytime I’m in a public, indoor space or when I’m outdoors and can’t keep a distance of 6 feet or more from other people (neither of these take place very often). I think it is the proper, responsible thing to do.

There is debate about whether or not government can mandate mask wearing…I’m not sure how I feel about it to be honest.
 
From Trey Gowdy:

"I’m not saying Covid-19 isn’t real… But Pay attention folks, there’s much more going on here than what meets the eye.

Is it a coincidence that just when the economy is booming, the stock market is setting record highs, we are winning the trade wars, school shootings have stopped, our nation is at peace, the Democratic party is a disaster and so is their likely nominee? (Biden). He hasn’t a chance in hell & they’re not about to let an outsider(Bernie) destroy their scheme.

It looks like Trump is a sure bet for reelection after fending off 3 years of investigations and impeachment, then all of a sudden world crisis pandemic. Stock market tumbles, companies are laying off employees, everything is closed and canceled, CEO’s of giant companies are resigning and indictments are coming.

Now they say there are a couple ways a President doesn’t win reelection. Those are an unpopular war or a poor economy.

But there is something larger going on here driving this sudden outbreak right after Trump beats an impeachment. Especially the fact that it (Corona Virus) originated in China who we are in a global trade war with; brought on by Trump. Let’s not forget Biden’s back door deals with CHINA as well.

China doesn’t want 4 more years of Trump either. It all seems rather convenient for the nations and opponents of our current President and economy 5 months before an election. Couldn’t have hit at a more perfect time.

With the Democrats running out of campaign talking points, in light of no school shootings, no migrant caravans at the southern border, fighting in Syria winding down, North Korea not firing missiles and Trump beating a sham impeachment. The Corona Virus gave them one last hail Mary to try and point fingers at Trump with the clock winding down in 2020.

This is almost the perfect fascist playbook. Control the population with fear-mongering and panic, control the media, spread propaganda and the fan-favorite disarm the population. Oh, and did anyone notice that while they are mad as hell at Trump for not sending aid to Ukraine, they THEMSELVES voted AGAINST giving ANY emergency aid to all Americans ?

Sorry but I don’t think we are all going to die. Remember when Ebola was what was going to kill us all, and the media kept showing the piles of body bags that were prepared for the fallout. Then a month later it was totally forgotten.

The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!

A handful of deaths out of 320 million Americans and we are in panic tearing down our society and costing our economy billions in the wake. It all just seems fishy, a little too well-timed if you ask me."

Trey Gowdy
 
That is either pure ignorance on Gowdy’s part or pure politics. Or a bit of both.

A worldwide pandemic is created because Trump is in office. Seriously.

If China wanted to ruin the US it could simply dump all the debt it is holding of the US and shut down trade completely with our country. Talk about a complete economic disaster the likes folks would have a hard time dreaming of.

He is completely wrong about the deaths.


And to think people actually elected this guy and listen to him.
 
The abortion rates in Italy for example have been going down especially in southern Italy.

One reason is that many gynecologists do not perform them for conscientious reasons.

The goal for voting for a Republican is to overturn Roe v Wade. Which would send it to each individual states. Roe v Wade can be overturned only by the Supreme Court. So the game plan has been, Republicans nominate conservative Supreme Court judges, eventually there will be enough of them and then they will overturn Roe v Wade. Half a century of doing this.

It is still legal.

So maybe it won’t be made illegal? Could that be? What should we do to foster a culture of life?

I don’t see how that’s possible when respect for life in general is lacking. Why do we want to protect the unborn? Because we consider them human beings part of God’s family. But aren’t migrant children human and part of God’s family? Why take them from their families? Why argue against allowing them soap and persons hygiene items?

The abortion rate hasn’t gone down in the Trump presidency. It is still legal. “Conservatives” have the majority on the Supreme Court.
 
I will vote against the slaughterhouse that at least, the GOP does not support.

Also, Minneapolis and other cities, I won’t go into it, are basket cases, it could happen in the whole USA.
 
F_Marturana said:
Roe v Wade can be overturned only by the Supreme Court
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Or a Constitutional Amendment either started by congress with 3/4 of the states ratifying it, or the states themselves by calling a Constitutional Convention and 2/3 of the states passing it then 3/4 of the states ratifying it.

With the current numbers of Americans being about 1/2 or more for it in some circumstances, it will be around in some form or another for as long as we all are alive. Hearts much change.
 
130,000 deaths and climbing.

I can’t believe that there is still the narrative flu is worse.

The first confirmed US covid death was February 29.
Since then 4 months have passed and 130,000 are dead.

These are real people. Many of them died alone! Many of them couldn’t get a clergyman to be with them when they died.
 
farronwolf said:
The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!

Read the article.
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The flu and covid death rate are in the same range % wise. They do not know the total number of infections and report using this formula

Death certificates that have covid listed/ # of confirmed cases

it should be

Death certificates with covid as the cause/ # of confirmed cases + # of all infections

Your own reference - Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year.

In the U.S., for Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that there were 39 million to 56 million cases of flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)
 
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F_Marturana said:
The abortion rate hasn’t gone down in the Trump presidency. It is still legal. “Conservatives” have the majority on the Supreme Court.
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Perhaps you didn’t understand my reply. That’s OK. As for your SCOTUS claim, I would argue differently…and be correct. We live in demonic times right now and those who claim an ideological affiliation are sometimes painting a deception, a trap, hoping to snare us. Beware always of your surroundings.
 
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The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!

He didn’t say more people get the flu, he said the flu has killed more people. That is false.
 
F_Marturana said:
The first confirmed US covid death was February 29.
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When did they have a test?

This virus was here and spreading well before and no one knew it. That changes the entire curve and projection as well as response. We were sold on reducing the rate of spread so not to overwhelm the health care system. Start subtracting out nursing home deaths that decision makers caused. Just about every outbreak of flu and disease affects the elderly. Why? They have comorbitities and immune systems are already low.
 
farronwolf said:
The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!

He didn’t say more people get the flu, he said the flu has killed more people. That is false.
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The post was Apr 22 by Gowdy. (not sure what date he spoke the words) He was pointing out some interesting things.
 
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