Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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buffalo said:
A third party cannot win.
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That only holds true so long as people buy into the idea that a vote can be “wasted”. No vote is ever wasted and if enough people actually vote for the candidate that most closely matches their own positions then more parties will become viable. Remember that the current Dem vs Rep situation developed over time as those 2 got more votes reliably than the other earlier parties.
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In a close race every vote siphoned away ends up where?
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Depends. Remember Florida 2000? Nader took more votes from Gore than Buchanan took from Bush. In fact Buchanan plus every other 3d party combined didn’t come close to the number of votes Nader got. So it could be said that Nader got Bush elected.
 
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Only the campaign promises that appeal just to the right-wing. He didn’t make any campaign promises that appeal to liberals.
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Right you are and why he was elected and will be again
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Uh, liberals do vote, you know. So unless Trump succeeds in depriving liberals of the vote, his disdain for them will cost him.
 
You call it “disdain.” I see no reason to call Trump’s attitude “disdain;” it’s just certain people disagree with him.

If you want true “disdain,” I think Hillary calling republicans “deplorables,” or Obama saying people “cling bitterly” to their guns and religion. That’s “disdain.”
 
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You call it “disdain.” I see no reason to call Trump’s attitude “disdain;” it’s just certain people disagree with him.
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His disdain is obvious by the fact he has made no attempt to represent them or reach out to them, but demonizes them every chance he gets and leverages that disdain to his own political advantage by catering exclusively to his core base.
 
He makes no attempt to represent them? False. It’s not as if his policy mandates were only for his supporters. Your comment is no more true than Barack Obama made no effort to represent republicans.

One question, if you feel like answering:
Is there literally anything good you can think of to say positive about Trump?
 
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Actually Ruth I was asking Leaf, but thanks for what you said. Many anti-trumpers are incapable of saying literally anything positive about the man.
 
The way I see it, he has most of the right in his corner, but naturally not liberals and increasingly he has lost the support of moderates who are repelled by his erratic and socially irresponsible behavior in times of crisis (think suburban moms) and winning the moderates is key to his winning re-election.
 
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No, absolutly no need to apologize! You and I disagree often - but it most certainly is an open discussion.
 
Never fear, those of you who are Trump supporters…he will win again. I’ll be on the sidelines with my bowl of popcorn and a glass of wine.
 
Even if he does by some miracle pull off a win, I still think the Trump era is effectively over - because I doubt the Republicans will hold onto the Senate, in which case can you imagine what the Democrats will do to him then?
 
tomarin said:
Whereas I think he just says things - often illogical or unfounded things ‘from the gut’ as it were - and the people who think he is a good and/or smart person bend over backwards to make him seem competent by reading things into his comments.
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Well, I guess if people are getting their info from the spin the MSM puts on what he says, it will seem illogical and unfounded. The only bending-over backwards is coming from the media to try to twist what he said into what he did not say. They completely cherry pick partial statements, leave out context, leave out the wording of the question he was responding to and pretend they can’t tell the difference between when he is being serious or using sarcasm or jest to make a point. When you go to the actual transcript, interview, speech and look at what he said without the MSM filter, you 9 times out of 10, see that what he said wasn’t at all what the media is implying he said. I pointed it out in the examples above but if you don’t want to see it, you don’t want to see it. That’s your prerogative.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
But it is a BAD THING that he has done nothing to make it more desirable to carry a baby to term.
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What?

Maybe he should give the pro=lifers praying outside the abortion clinic gift cards to persuade mothers not to murder their unborn.
 
A lot of times it’s just the plain meaning of his words. If he said ‘I don’t kid, let me make this plain’ about the slowdown in testing, who am I to say he’s lying?

If he calls the coronavirus a ‘Democratic hoax’, what else am I to conclude but that this is what he believes? Because I’m not sympathetic to him I don’t have an inner Trump-whisperer who can rationalize all of his contradictory and baseless statements.
 
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I notice a change this year in the third party voting rhetoric. Four years ago, it seemed that the majority of Republicans here were saying that a third party vote is a vote for (insert insulting diminutive for Democrats here), or a was a vote for Hillary. Now it seems that fewer are objecting to abandoning Trump for a third party. Sure, some do, but I think there is an increased awareness that for a lot of potential third party voters, the alternative would be Biden, not Trump.
 
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